Colliding rotating black holes

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The discussion revolves around the collision of two rotating black holes with equal mass and angular momentum in opposite directions. Participants explore the implications of such a collision, particularly regarding the mass-energy relationship and the radiation emitted during the event. The conversation touches on theoretical frameworks, including Hawking's Area theorem, and the calculations related to energy release.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the collision would result in a black hole with a lower total mass than the sum of the original black holes, proposing a calculation based on the area theorem.
  • Another participant challenges this view, asserting that collisions typically result in a single black hole with mass equal to the sum of the individual masses, with no mass escaping.
  • A later reply references a source that discusses the emission of electromagnetic radiation during black hole collisions, implying that some energy may escape.
  • There is a clarification regarding the area theorem, noting that the horizon area cannot decrease, which suggests that the sum of the horizon areas of the initial black holes must be less than that of the resulting black hole.
  • One participant proposes that the maximum fraction of energy radiated could be 50%, under specific conditions of equal mass and angular momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the outcomes of black hole collisions, with no consensus reached on whether mass is lost or conserved in the process. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of energy release and the implications of the area theorem.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the conditions of the black holes and the definitions of terms used, particularly concerning the area theorem and its implications for mass loss.

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If two black holes with equal mass and angular momentum, but the latter in opposite directions were to collide, they would release a great deal of radiation and would subsequently lose energy and the resulting black hole would have a lower total mass than the two previous ones combined. But how can I calculate how much of their combined original mass would (at most) be released as radiation in the collision?

I know I should start from the "area-theorem". Unable to find it in my coursebook, I looked it up on wikipedia.

Hawking's Area theorem:

[tex]A_H=\frac{4\pi G^2}{c^4}((M + \sqrt{M^2-a^2})^2+a^2)[/tex]

- This being the area of the eventhorizon of the black hole.

Is there some relation between the areas the two original black holes and the subsequently combined black hole?
 
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If two black holes with equal mass and angular momentum, but the latter in opposite directions were to collide, they would release a great deal of radiation and would subsequently lose energy and the resulting black hole would have a lower total mass than the two previous ones combined.
Could you give a reference for this? My understanding is that two black holes colliding end up as one black hole with mass equal to the sum of the individual masses - nothing escaping.
 
mathman said:
Could you give a reference for this? My understanding is that two black holes colliding end up as one black hole with mass equal to the sum of the individual masses - nothing escaping.

I think it's pretty much an established fact of the theory, reference... this would be an example:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1975ApJ...197..199T

"It is shown that the collision of two black holes would result in the emission of electromagnetic radiation with a very distinctive wave form."
 
TheMan112 said:
But how can I calculate how much of their combined original mass would (at most) be released as radiation in the collision?
I know I should start from the "area-theorem". Unable to find it in my coursebook, I looked it up on wikipedia.
Hawking's Area theorem:
[tex]A_H=\frac{4\pi G^2}{c^4}((M + \sqrt{M^2-a^2})^2+a^2)[/tex]
- This being the area of the eventhorizon of the black hole.
Is there some relation between the areas the two original black holes and the subsequently combined black hole?

The formula you give is not the area theorem, but the expression of the horizon area in terms of the Kerr black hole mass and angular momentum (assuming zero charge).

The area theorem states that the horizon area cannot decrease, which implies that the sum of the horizon areas of the initial black holes must be lower than the horizon area of the resulting black hole.

By substituting the above formula in this inequality it appears that the mass can decrease, provided that the area does not decrease. By conservation laws, the decrease in energy shall be equal to the energy radiated. The upper limit of the fraction of energy radiated is 50%, occurring when m1=m2=a1=a2 and a3=0.
 
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