Collision and conservation of energy

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The discussion revolves around concepts of collisions, specifically focusing on the conservation of momentum and mechanical energy in the context of real-world scenarios involving friction and other non-conservative forces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions whether friction is the sole reason for the non-conservation of momentum and mechanical energy in collisions. Other participants discuss the nature of energy conservation and the implications of transferring momentum.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of energy conservation and momentum transfer, with some suggesting that mechanical energy can be transformed rather than lost. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance on terminology and concepts is being shared.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions and implications of conservation laws in the presence of external forces like friction. The discussion reflects an ongoing examination of these concepts within the framework of a collision between two blocks.

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I wanted to check some concepts in collisions because I'm a little bit confused.

In a real-world collision (Where everything applies, friction and so on) conservation of momentum doesn't really apply because there is friction, which is an external force.

1)That is the only reason momentum isn't conserved, right?

Moving on, mechanical energy isn't conserved either, because there are non-conservative forces (that is, friction plus energy conversion to sound/heat)

2)And those are the only reasons mechanical energy isn't conserved, right?
 
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Energy is ALWAYS conserved just in different ways. (Conservation of energy)
 
iRaid said:
Energy is ALWAYS conserved just in different ways. (Conservation of energy)

Yes, sorry. I meant in the system block 1 + block 2, supposing a collision between two blocks.
 
ShizukaSm said:
Yes, sorry. I meant in the system block 1 + block 2, supposing a collision between two blocks.

Yes, mechanical energy can be lost to heat etc. Momentum is ALWAYS conserved. The only way you can lose it is by tranferring it to something else. In the case of friction it's just transferred to the object you are rubbing against. That's Newton's third law.
 
Dick said:
Yes, mechanical energy can be lost to heat etc. Momentum is ALWAYS conserved. The only way you can lose it is by tranferring it to something else. In the case of friction it's just transferred to the object you are rubbing against. That's Newton's third law.

Thanks. Also, I think I should start saying 'Mechanical energy is transformed' and Momentum ins transferred' instead of 'Lost' as I was saying.
 

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