Collision of particles; centre of mass problem

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The problem involves two particles: one is fired vertically upwards while the other is released from rest at a height above the first. The scenario is set in free fall, and the focus is on the collision between the two particles, which is described as completely inelastic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive expressions for the position and momentum of the particles before and after the collision. Some participants question the correctness of the momentum calculations and the interpretation of the velocities involved in the collision.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging in a back-and-forth regarding the conservation of momentum in the context of a completely inelastic collision. There is acknowledgment of the need to clarify the quantities that are conserved during such collisions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings regarding the velocities of the particles just before the collision and their implications for momentum calculations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their approach to part f) of the problem.

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Homework Statement



One particle, mass m1, is fired vertically upwards with an initial velocity v0 from the ground (height y = 0). At the same time (t = 0), another particle, mass m2, is released from rest at a height y = h, directly above the first, where h > 0. The particles are then in free fall near the Earth's surface. Air resistance and the rotation of the Earth may be neglected.

e) Assume that the particles collide and that the collision is very brief and completely inelastic. Write an expression for the position of the particles after the collision but before they hit the ground.

f) From the results above, derive an expression for the total momentum of the two particles both before and after the collision, but before they hit the ground.

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for e) I had

yx=h - 1/2 g(h/vo))2

ie replacing t with (h/vo)

the expression is correct, but I am having trouble with part f).

I had

before p= m1v1+m2v2

= m1(vo-gt)+m2(-gt)

and after p= (m2m2)vx

deriving vx from part e)

vx= -g(h/vo)

so after p= (m1+m2)(-g×h/vo)

but this is wrong for part f), can someone please help with why?

Thanks.
 
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charmedbeauty said:
deriving vx from part e)

vx= -g(h/vo)

so after p= (m1+m2)(-g×h/vo)

But this vx is the velocity of the particle that was dropped just before the collision, and not the total velocity of both the masses together.

It is a completely inelastic collision, what quantity is conserved in such a collision??
 
Infinitum said:
But this vx is the velocity of the particle that was dropped just before the collision, and not the total velocity of both the masses together.

It is a completely inelastic collision, what quantity is conserved in such a collision??

ohh right thanks. infinitum. momentum.
 
charmedbeauty said:
ohh right thanks. infinitum. momentum.

Yep, that should give you the answer! :approve:
 

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