Unstable equilibrium, centre of mass problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two masses placed on a board with a total mass of 20 kg, focusing on the concept of unstable equilibrium and the calculation of the center of mass. Participants are exploring how the distribution of mass affects the stability of the system.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to calculate the center of mass using the given masses and question the role of the board's mass in the calculations. There is uncertainty about the implications of unstable equilibrium and how it affects the system's behavior.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on incorporating the board's mass into the calculations, while others are questioning how to determine the center of mass of the board itself. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the assumptions made about the distribution of mass.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the implications of assuming a homogeneous distribution of mass and its effect on the calculations. There is a noted lack of clarity on how to properly include the board's mass in the center of mass calculations.

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Homework Statement


Two masses, A and B, are placed on the edges of a mass of 20 kg which is homogeneously distributed figure such that an unstable equilibrium is achieved. If the mass of A is 12 kg and the mass of B 16 kg, how large is the distance x from the left end of the board to the support point? A) 3 m B) 3.25 m C) 3.4 m D) 3.75 m E) 4 m

Homework Equations


Centre of mass = m1(x1) + (m2)(x2)/(m1 + m2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted this problem but got it wrong, mostly because I don't know what an unstable equilibrium is. I looked it up and it appears to me that any external force that acts on a system with an unstable equilibrium will gravely affect the system. Is this correct? I just went about finding the centre of mass of the system, by doing 12(0) + (16)(6) / (12 + 16) = 3.43 m. So, that was my answer, but it is wrong. I also never used the mass of the board, by I had assumed that since the mass was homogeneously distributed that it wouldn't affect the centre of mass.
 
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Kennedy said:

Homework Statement


Two masses, A and B, are placed on the edges of a mass of 20 kg which is homogeneously distributed figure such that an unstable equilibrium is achieved. If the mass of A is 12 kg and the mass of B 16 kg, how large is the distance x from the left end of the board to the support point? A) 3 m B) 3.25 m C) 3.4 m D) 3.75 m E) 4 m

Homework Equations


Centre of mass = m1(x1) + (m2)(x2)/(m1 + m2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted this problem but got it wrong, mostly because I don't know what an unstable equilibrium is. I looked it up and it appears to me that any external force that acts on a system with an unstable equilibrium will gravely affect the system. Is this correct? I just went about finding the centre of mass of the system, by doing 12(0) + (16)(6) / (12 + 16) = 3.43 m. So, that was my answer, but it is wrong. I also never used the mass of the board, by I had assumed that since the mass was homogeneously distributed that it wouldn't affect the centre of mass.

Perhaps best not to assume that. Put the 20kg mass into the calculations - it can't do any harm!
 
PeroK said:
Perhaps best not to assume that. Put the 20kg mass into the calculations - it can't do any harm!
How would I add it into the calculations? I know its mass is 20 kg, but how do I figure out where the mass is acting?
 
Kennedy said:
How would I add it into the calculations? I know its mass is 20 kg, but how do I figure out where the mass is acting?

It's homogeneous, so it COM must be in the middle, surely?
 
PeroK said:
It's homogeneous, so it COM must be in the middle, surely?
You are one hundred percent right! 0(12) + 16(6) + (20)(3) / (20 + 12 +16) = 3.25 m. Thank you. I never thought of adding that in, but I knew that its centre of mass was in the middle.
 

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