Collisions: Elastic vs inelastic

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The discussion centers on the complexities of collisions, particularly between a bullet and a target, focusing on the conservation of momentum and energy transformation during elastic and inelastic collisions. It highlights the need to account for factors like aerial friction and the bullet's initial velocity when calculating the final energy transferred to the target. The conversation also touches on the deformation of the bullet and target, questioning the application of Hooke's law and the effects of plastic deformation on energy loss. The coefficient of restitution is mentioned as a critical factor in determining how much kinetic energy is retained after the collision. Overall, the intricacies of external and terminal ballistics are emphasized, revealing the challenges in accurately modeling real-world scenarios.
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So there are a bunch of assignments in physics built on the conservation of momentum law where a bullet of some mass, hits a target of some mass, neglecting friction find the velocity at which the target starts moving. That is all very simple in case of an inelastic collision, all the energy of the bullet is transformed to the target+bullet mass, but what happens when it's a real scenario?

Assuming we know the mass of the bullet mb and the power behind the rifle - the bullet gains an initial velocity of vinitial. The target is, say, a metal sphere of mass ms at a distance of 200m - How do we calculate the aerial friction that slows down the bullet, assuming there is no wind to considerably change its direction?

At last the bullet hits the target at a velocity of vfinal. How much energy does the sphere exactly gain?
The bullet hits the sphere and bounces back,there is likely a dent in the sphere and the bullet is deformed, therefore some of the kinetic energy is transformed into mechanical energy and heat. Since the bullet bounces back I would assume it has something to do with Hooke's law, where the surface of the sphere is acting like a spring. How much energy is consumed by deformation and the spring? Is there a way to know how much of the energy the sphere "gets to use"? To what extent can we use the conservation of momentum in this scenario? What are all the elements we have to consider?
 
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The flight of the bullet is studied in external ballistics. What happens when the bullet hits the target is studied in terminal ballistics. Things get hairy fairly quickly as soon as you start looking at the details.
 
lendav_rott said:
So there are a bunch of assignments in physics built on the conservation of momentum law where a bullet of some mass, hits a target of some mass, neglecting friction find the velocity at which the target starts moving. That is all very simple in case of an inelastic collision, all the energy of the bullet is transformed to the target+bullet mass, but what happens when it's a real scenario?

Assuming we know the mass of the bullet mb and the power behind the rifle - the bullet gains an initial velocity of vinitial. The target is, say, a metal sphere of mass ms at a distance of 200m - How do we calculate the aerial friction that slows down the bullet, assuming there is no wind to considerably change its direction?
Assuming bullet's spherical: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokes'_law
At last the bullet hits the target at a velocity of vfinal. How much energy does the sphere exactly gain?
Depends on coefficient of restitution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_restitution
The bullet hits the sphere and bounces back,there is likely a dent in the sphere and the bullet is deformed, therefore some of the kinetic energy is transformed into mechanical energy and heat. Since the bullet bounces back I would assume it has something to do with Hooke's law, where the surface of the sphere is acting like a spring. How much energy is consumed by deformation and the spring?
Hooke's law doesn't apply after you reach yield strength:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress–strain_curve
After which elastic deformation gives way to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_deformation#Plastic_deformation
Is there a way to know how much of the energy the sphere "gets to use"?
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KE should be given by coefficient of restitution, if that's what you mean.
To what extent can we use the conservation of momentum in this scenario? What are all the elements we have to consider?
Momentum should be conserved regardless of the type of collision.
 
Forgot about the laminar flow clause... thanks for the correction;
I seem to be ticking with the IQ of a tick today...
 
For simple comparison, I think the same thought process can be followed as a block slides down a hill, - for block down hill, simple starting PE of mgh to final max KE 0.5mv^2 - comparing PE1 to max KE2 would result in finding the work friction did through the process. efficiency is just 100*KE2/PE1. If a mousetrap car travels along a flat surface, a starting PE of 0.5 k th^2 can be measured and maximum velocity of the car can also be measured. If energy efficiency is defined by...

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