Combinatorial Number Theory Problem

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The discussion revolves around a combinatorial number theory problem involving finite sets of natural numbers and their pairwise sums. Participants are exploring the implications of the condition that the sets of pairwise sums for two different sets are equal, specifically focusing on the cardinalities of these sets and whether they must be powers of 2.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mathguy presents a problem stating that if the pairwise sums of two different finite sets of natural numbers A and B are equal, then the cardinalities |A| and |B| must also be equal and both must be powers of 2.
  • Some participants question the definition of |A| in this context, seeking clarification on its meaning.
  • DonAntonio suggests that if zero is considered a natural number, the claims may not hold true, providing a counterexample with the sets {2,3,4} and {0,2,3,4}.
  • Catellus raises a concern about potential counterexamples, presenting sets A and B where S(A) equals S(B) but |A| and |B| differ, suggesting that additional restrictions may be necessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the original claims, with some proposing counterexamples that challenge the necessity of the conditions stated by Mathguy. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the definitions and implications of the problem, particularly regarding the treatment of zero as a natural number and the conditions under which the claims hold true.

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Hello,

I would like to see a solution to the following problem:

Let A be a finite collection of natural numbers. Consider the set of the pairwise sums of each of the numbers in A, which I will denote by S(A). For example, if A={2,3,4}, then S(A)={5,6,7}. Prove that if S(A)=S(B) for two different finite sets of natural numbers A and B, then |A|=|B|, and |A|=|B| is a power of 2.

I find this problem interesting, but I am working on other problems. Anyone have ideas?

Thanks,
Mathguy
 
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You haven't defined |A| for this situation.
 
For a set C, |C|=the cardinality of C.
 
Mathguy15 said:
Hello,

I would like to see a solution to the following problem:

Let A be a finite collection of natural numbers. Consider the set of the pairwise sums of each of the numbers in A, which I will denote by S(A). For example, if A={2,3,4}, then S(A)={5,6,7}. Prove that if S(A)=S(B) for two different finite sets of natural numbers A and B, then |A|=|B|, and |A|=|B| is a power of 2.

I find this problem interesting, but I am working on other problems. Anyone have ideas?

Thanks,
Mathguy



Well, if one considers zero a natural number (many do) then both claims above are false, as [itex]\{2,3,4\},\{0,2,3,4\}[/itex] , otherwise...perhaps by induction on [itex]|A|+|B|[/itex] ...

DonAntonio
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like for A = {1,2,3,4,5,6,7} and B = {1,2,3,5,6,7}

S(A) = {3,4, ... 12,13} = S(B), but |A|=7 and |B|=6

Maybe there should be some other restrictions on A and B?

(guessing) If neither A nor B may be a subset of the other, then consider {1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9}, {1,2,3,5,7,8,9} . Cardinalities 8 and 7.
 
Great Scott, you may be right catellus!
 

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