Combinatorics intense question

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem in which the goal is to find the number of non-empty subsets of a set of consecutive integers that satisfy two properties: 1) no two consecutive integers are included in the subset, and 2) the subset must contain at least K elements. The solution involves using the identity n-k+1 choose k to find the number of ways to choose k elements from an ordered set of n elements without choosing two consecutive members. However, the second part of the solution is unclear and involves using sums of triangle numbers.
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Homework Statement


How many non- empty subsets of {1,2,3...,15} have the following two properties?
1) No two consecutive integers belong to S.
2)If S contains K elements, then S contains no number less than K .



Homework Equations



choosing identities, not sure which one

The Attempt at a Solution


Tried casework, but I don't understand how the solution gets
n-k+1 choose k
 
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you said n-k+1 choose k
what is n?
 
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If we have ways are there to choose k elements from an ordered n element set without choosing two consecutive members
 
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newchie said:
If we have ways are there to choose k elements from an ordered n element set without choosing two consecutive members

Okay, so what does it mean when you take a choose b?
You're taking the number of ways to choose b items out of a, right?

So why would you suppose the answer to your question is n-k+1 choose k?
What is the significance of n-k+1?
 
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http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Wiki/index.php/2006_AMC_12A_Problems/Problem_25
I don't understand the solution
 
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What about it do you not understand?
 
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Defining the boxes into n-2k+1 elements, then the general choosing statement, i get the first part, but the second part is a bit opaque
 
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Interesting problem! Fiddling with pencil & paper and looking for patterns suggests that for n integers, the answer involves sums of triangle numbers, T(n) = n(n+1)/2, but I don't see a good way to get there from simple combinetrics.
 
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1. What is combinatorics?

Combinatorics is a branch of mathematics that deals with counting and arranging objects in a systematic way.

2. Why is combinatorics important?

Combinatorics is important because it has many practical applications in fields such as computer science, statistics, and economics. It also helps us understand and solve problems related to counting and arrangement.

3. What are the basic principles of combinatorics?

The basic principles of combinatorics include permutations, combinations, and the principle of inclusion-exclusion. Permutations refer to the arrangement of objects in a specific order, while combinations refer to the selection of objects without considering the order. The principle of inclusion-exclusion helps us count the number of elements in a set based on their inclusion or exclusion from other sets.

4. How is combinatorics used in real life?

Combinatorics is used in various real-life scenarios such as constructing schedules, designing efficient algorithms, and analyzing data. It is also used in fields like genetics, cryptography, and game theory.

5. What are some common misconceptions about combinatorics?

One common misconception about combinatorics is that it only deals with counting and is not a practical branch of mathematics. However, as mentioned earlier, it has many real-life applications. Another misconception is that it is a difficult subject, but with practice and understanding of the basic principles, it can become easier to grasp.

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