Commutation Relations and Ehrenfest

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The discussion focuses on deriving the expectation value for a free particle using Ehrenfest's theorem, demonstrating that it is a quadratic function of time, expressed as _t = a + bt + ct^2. The constants b and c are related to the initial expectation values of position and momentum operators. The final expression for <(\delta x)^2>_t is derived from the initial conditions and the relationships established through the equations provided.

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Homework Statement


Let \psi(\vec{r},t) be the wavefunction for a free particle of mass m obeying Schrödinger equation with V=0 in 3 dimensions. At t=0, the particle is in a known initial state \psi_0(\vec{r}). Using Ehrenfest's theorem, show that the expectation value &lt;x^2&gt; in the state \psi(\vec{r},t) is a quadratic function of t:
&lt;x^2&gt;_t=a+bt+ct^2
where a, b and c are constants. Relate the constants b and c to the expectation values of operators at t=0. Show that these lead to the expression for &lt;(\delta x)^2&gt;_t quoted in class.


Homework Equations


we have that &lt;(\delta x)^2&gt;=&lt;x^2&gt;-&lt;x&gt;^2=&lt;(\delta x)^2&gt;_0+\frac{1}{m}(&lt;xp_x+p_xx&gt;_0-2&lt;x&gt;_0&lt;p_x&gt;_0)+\frac{&lt;(\delta p_x)^2&gt;_0}{m^2}
where
&lt;x&gt;=&lt;x&gt;_0+\frac{&lt;px&gt;_0}{m}t


The Attempt at a Solution


\frac{d}{dt}&lt;x^2&gt;=\frac{1}{i\hbar}&lt;[x^2,H]&gt;=\frac{1}{m}&lt;xp_x+p_xx&gt;

\frac{d}{dt}\frac{1}{m}&lt;xp_x+p_xx&gt;=\frac{1}{i\hbar m}&lt;[xp_x,H]+[p_xx,H]&gt;=\frac{1}{i\hbar m}&lt;x[p_x,H]+[x,H]p_x+p_x[x,H]+[p_x,H]x&gt;=\frac{1}{i\hbar m}&lt;\frac{i\hbar}{m}p_xp_x+p_x\frac{i\hbar}{m}p_x&gt;=\frac{i\hbar}{i\hbar m^2}&lt;2p_{x}^2&gt;

\frac{d}{dt}\frac{1}{m^2}&lt;p_{x}^2&gt;=0

Taking three integrals of the last equation from 0 to t and substituting the values we got in the previous equations we get the equation for <x^2> as

&lt;x^2&gt;=&lt;x^2&gt;_0+\frac{1}{m}&lt;xp_x+p_xx&gt;_0t+\frac{2&lt;p_{x}^2&gt;_0}{m^2}t^2

The problem is if I try to subtract &lt;x&gt;^2 from this, the 2 in the last term (\frac{2&lt;p_{x}^2&gt;_0}{m^2}t^2) causes problems. I feel there should have been a 1/2 pop out somewhere in here that will cancel with that 2 to make this work. But i can't see where it is. Does anyone see where I am going wrong that is giving me this extra factor of 2?

Thanks for any input.
 
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You're gunna kick yourself:

\int_0^t \frac{2\langle p_x^2\rangle_0}{m^2}t&#039;dt&#039;=\frac{\langle p_x^2\rangle_0}{m^2}t^2

:wink:
 
HAHAHA oh... that hurts...

Thank you =)
 

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