Commute an operator with a constant

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The discussion revolves around the commutation of an operator, specifically one that multiplies a vector by its norm, with a constant. Participants are exploring the implications of this operation within the context of quantum mechanics and operator algebra.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the calculation of the commutator between the operator A and a constant b, questioning the validity of the results and the assumptions regarding the linearity of the operator.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions involved, with some participants pointing out potential errors in the calculations and questioning the assumption that the commutator should equal zero. The discussion is productive, with participants actively engaging in clarifying the nature of the operator and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the non-linearity of the operator A and its effect on the commutation with constants, which is central to the discussion. There is a recognition that the operator's properties may lead to different outcomes than those typically expected with linear operators.

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Homework Statement


Suppose we had an operator A that multiplied a vector by it's norm:
[itex]A \mid \psi \rangle = \langle \psi \mid \psi \rangle \mid \psi \rangle[/itex]
I wanted to know what it's commutator with a constant would be.


Homework Equations


[itex]\left[A,B\right] = AB - BA[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Suppose b is a real number greater than 1, then
[itex]\left[A,b\right] \mid \psi \rangle =(Ab-bA)\mid \psi \rangle[/itex]
[itex]=A (b\mid \psi \rangle ) - b (A \mid \psi \rangle ) = (b^2 - b)\langle \psi \mid \psi \rangle \mid \psi \rangle[/itex]

I'm think the second equality is wrong since I read that the commutator of an operator with a constant should be 0 and the operator A looks nonlinear. But what should be done instead? Thanks
 
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widderjoos said:

Homework Statement


Suppose we had an operator A that multiplied a vector by it's norm:
[itex]A \mid \psi \rangle = \langle \psi \mid \psi \rangle \mid \psi \rangle[/itex]
I wanted to know what it's commutator with a constant would be.


Homework Equations


[itex]\left[A,B\right] = AB - BA[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Suppose b is a real number greater than 1, then
[itex]\left[A,b\right] \mid \psi \rangle =(Ab-bA)\mid \psi \rangle[/itex]
[itex]=A (b\mid \psi \rangle ) - b (A \mid \psi \rangle ) = (b^2 - b)\langle \psi \mid \psi \rangle \mid \psi \rangle[/itex]

I'm think the second equality is wrong since I read that the commutator of an operator with a constant should be 0 and the operator A looks nonlinear. But what should be done instead? Thanks

Just looking quickly at this, shouldn't you have got

[itex]\left( b^2-1 \right) \langle \psi | \psi \rangle \left( b | \psi \rangle \right)[/itex]?
 
latentcorpse said:
Just looking quickly at this, shouldn't you have got

[itex]\left( b^2-1 \right) \langle \psi | \psi \rangle \left( b | \psi \rangle \right)[/itex]?

oh you're right, but it still doesn't equal 0 though unless I'm missing something again
 
How did you get the b^2 ? It shouldn't be there.
 
widderjoos said:
oh you're right, but it still doesn't equal 0 though unless I'm missing something again

Why should it equal to zero? A is non-linear, so there is no guarantee that [itex]A (b|\psi\rangle) = b A |\psi\rangle[/itex].
 

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