Commuting set of operators (misunderstanding)

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between two complete bases in quantum mechanics, specifically the transformation of states represented by the notation |an> and |bm>. Participants explore the implications of this transformation and the role of the Kronecker delta function in defining these states.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion regarding how the definition of |an> relates to statements involving Kronecker delta functions.
  • There is a proposal that two different complete bases, |an> and |bm>, can be related through coefficients Cnm defined as ⟨bm|an⟩.
  • One participant suggests that |an> can be expressed as a sum over |bm> weighted by Cnm, indicating a transformation between the bases.
  • Another point raised is the use of the Kronecker delta function to filter terms in the summation, ensuring that only terms where bm equals b are included.
  • It is noted that the transformation can be expressed in terms of the sums over the bases, leading to the conclusion that |an> can be represented in terms of |(an)b> states.

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Participants appear to have differing levels of understanding regarding the transformation and the role of the Kronecker delta function, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints presented.

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Some assumptions about the definitions of the bases and the properties of the Kronecker delta function are not fully articulated, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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I don’t see how the definition of |an> transmorphs into the statement involving the kroneck delta functions.
 
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Somali_Physicist said:
I don’t see how the definition of |an> transmorphs into the statement involving the kroneck delta functions.

What definition and what statement? Please give specific references.
 
PeterDonis said:
What definition and what statement? Please give specific references.
Apologies
 

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Somali_Physicist said:
Apologies

So we have two different complete bases:

##|a_n\rangle##

##|b_m\rangle##

If we let ##C_{nm} = \langle b_m|a_n\rangle##, then you can write:

##|a_n\rangle = \sum_m C_{nm} |b_m\rangle##

At this point, they are just defining ##|(a_n) b\rangle## to be ##\sum_m C_{nm} \ \delta_{b, b_m}|b_m\rangle##. The point of the ##\delta_{b, b_m}## is to include only those terms such that ##b_m = b##. It's just a fact that:

##\sum_m C_{nm} |b_m\rangle = \sum_b \sum_m C_{nm} \ \delta_{b, b_m}|b_m\rangle = \sum_b |(a_n) b\rangle##

So:

##|a_n\rangle = \sum_b |(a_n) b\rangle##
 
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