Compactness of point and compact set product

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the compactness of the product of a point set and a compact set, as presented in Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds. Participants explore different approaches to proving the compactness of the set \{x\} × B, where B is a compact subset of R^m, focusing on the use of covers and homeomorphisms.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding how to handle set products when dealing with covers and requests a proof sketch.
  • Another participant suggests using a homeomorphism to establish that B is compact if and only if \{x\} × B is compact.
  • A participant acknowledges the homeomorphism argument but indicates a preference for a proof using covers, outlining their approach to proving the existence of a finite subcollection from an open cover of \{x\} × B.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the continuous functions involved in the proof and how they relate to the open cover of B.
  • One participant asks how to prove the compactness without constructing the functions involved, seeking a more foundational approach.
  • Another participant proposes a method using a function F that maps points from \{x\} × B to B, suggesting that the open cover of \{x\} × B can be transformed into an open cover for B.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present different methods for proving the compactness, with some favoring the homeomorphism approach while others prefer a direct proof using covers. There is no consensus on a single method, and the discussion remains open to various perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and properties of homeomorphisms, which may affect their understanding of the proofs being discussed. Additionally, there are references to needing to show certain statements without fully resolving the details of those proofs.

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I was reading Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds and in chapter 1, section 2, dealing with compactness of sets he mentions that it is "easy to see" that if B \subset R^m and x \in R^n then \{x\}\times B \subset R^{n+M} is compact. While it is certainly plausible, I can't quite get how to handle set products when dealing with covers.
I was wonering if anyone could sketch a proof of this for me, I've been stuck on that page for days now.

note: this is not homework, just doing some self study.
 
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Hi SrEstroncio! :smile:

Just use that

\varphi:B\rightarrow \{x\}\times B:b\rightarrow (x,b)

is a homeomorphism. Thus B is compact if and only if \{x\}\times B is.
 
micromass said:
Hi SrEstroncio! :smile:

Just use that

\varphi:B\rightarrow \{x\}\times B:b\rightarrow (x,b)

is a homeomorphism. Thus B is compact if and only if \{x\}\times B is.

While I don't doubt there's nothing wrong with your argument, I am not familiar with homeomorphisms and your proof seems a little out of my grasp right now. I am trying to prove it by means of covers, I suppose A is a cover of \{x\}\times B, and I want to prove there is a finite subcollection of sets in A such that said subcollection covers \{x\}\times B.
 
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SrEstroncio said:
While I don't doubt there's nothing wrong with your argument, I am not familiar with homeomorphisms and your proof seems a little out of my grasp right now. I am trying to prove it by means of covers, I suppose A is a cover of \{x\}\times B, and I want to prove there is a finite subcollection of sets in A such that said subcollection covers \{x\}\times B.

OK, let me translate it for you then. We have the following continuous functions:

\varphi:B\rightarrow \{x\}\times B:b\rightarrow (x,b)

and

\psi:\{x\}\times B\rightarrow B:(x,b)\rightarrow b

These functions are each others inverse.

Now, take \{G_i~\vert~i\in I\} an open cover of \{x\}\times B. Then

\{\varphi^{-1}(G_i)~\vert~i\in I\}

forms an open cover of B. Because B is compact, it has a finite subcover

\{\varphi^{-1}(G_i)~\vert~i\in F\}

Thus

\{\psi^{-1}(\varphi^{-1}(G_i))~\vert~i\in F\}

is a finite cover of \{x\}\times B. The proof follows since

\psi^{-1}(\varphi^{-1}(G_i))=G_i

Is that more clear?
 
I get it now, thanks.

Now, at the risk of seeming kind of stubborn, imagine you've just been given the definition of compact sets and you were immediately asked to prove this (which is the case with Spivak's book), how would you do it without constructing the functions \phi and \psi, which is to say, how would you do it "by foot"?

sorry for the hassle, thanks in advance
 
Every point in {x} X B is of the form (x, b) where b is in B.

Let F:{x} X B-> B be defined by F(x, b)= b.

Further, it has the obvious inverse F^{-1}(b)= (x, b).

If {U} is an open cover for {x}X B then {F(U)} is an open cover for B.

Since B is compact, there is a finite subcover, {U_n}. Then F^{-1}({U_n}) is finite subcover of the original cover.

(Of course, you need to show all of those statements.)
 

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