Compactness of the unit ball in infinite dimension

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The discussion revolves around the compactness of the closed unit ball in infinite dimensional normed linear spaces. Participants explore various proofs and concepts related to this topic, including the implications of compactness and the characteristics of normed spaces.

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  • One participant questions whether the closed unit ball in an infinite dimensional normed linear space is never compact and seeks clarification on this point.
  • Another participant asserts that the compactness of the closed unit ball characterizes finite-dimensionality and mentions the Riesz lemma as a proof method.
  • A participant expresses interest in finding alternative proofs and considers the properties of Hilbert spaces.
  • One participant proposes an idea involving the density of the unit ball and the null functional but later realizes the idea does not directly apply.
  • Another participant explains that elements of an orthonormal set can be a distance of sqrt(2) apart and emphasizes the utility of the Riesz lemma for proving compactness properties.
  • A participant outlines an intuitive proof idea involving open covers and the implications of spanning sets in relation to compactness.
  • References to literature, such as Dieudonné's book on analysis, are made, with one participant questioning the relevance of specific chapters to the discussion.
  • Another participant identifies a theorem that connects local compactness to finite dimensionality, reinforcing the earlier claims about the implications of compactness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the characterization of compactness in relation to finite-dimensionality, but multiple approaches and proofs are discussed without reaching a consensus on a single method. Some participants express uncertainty about specific ideas and proofs.

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Participants mention various mathematical concepts and theorems, such as the Riesz lemma and properties of orthonormal sets, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions within the context of normed spaces. The discussion reflects a range of proofs and ideas without resolving the complexities involved.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in functional analysis, particularly those exploring properties of normed spaces and compactness in infinite dimensions.

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Is it a fact that in an infinite dimensional normed linear space, the closed unit ball is never compact?

If so, how does one go about seeing this?
 
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That's right. The compactness of the closed unit ball (in the norm topology) characterizes finite-dimensionality.

You can prove that the ball is not compact in an infinite dimensional space by invoking the Riesz lemma. (This is one of many ways.)
 
Any other way comes to mind? I wonder if I can prove this with what I know.
 
What can you work with?

There's a really easy proof for Hilbert spaces (elements of an infinite o.n. set are a distance of sqrt(2) apart).
 
An idea: proving that the ball is dense in the whole space by means of showing the only functional null on the ball is the identically null functionnal.

(How can elements of an infinite o.n. set be a distance of sqrt(2) apart in the case where the set is a basis and hence dense?)
 
mmh my idea does not work directly... because I just double checked and this criterion for density applies to subspaces only.

And it doesn'T make sense that the ball be dense, since it's closed, it would be the whole space, which it obviously isnt. :p
 
quasar987 said:
(How can elements of an infinite o.n. set be a distance of sqrt(2) apart in the case where the set is a basis and hence dense?)
Why would this be a problem? If e and f are two distinct elements in any o.n. set, then ||e - f||^2 = <e-f, e-f> = ||e||^2 + ||f||^2 = 2.

By the way, the most elementary way to prove this is to use the Riesz lemma. In fact the Riesz lemma basically tells you how to do the Hilbert space trick when you don't have an inner product: it let's you find a vector that's 'nearly' orthogonal to any proper subspace.
 
Alright, I'll look into it. There's a nice wiki page about including a proof.
 
There is a quite simple intuitive idea behind this, which also leads towards one possible proof. It goes like this:

Let E be a norm space, and B(0,1) the unit ball. Let us assume B(0,1) is compact. Since {B(x,1/2) | ||x|| < 1} is an open cover for the unit ball, there exists a finite number of points x_k so that

[tex] B(0,1) \subset \bigcup_{k=1}^N B(x_k, \frac{1}{2}).[/tex]

Now there is two alternatives. Either the x_k span the space E, <x_1,...,x_N>=E, or then they don't. If they do, E is finite dimensional, and we are done. If they do not span, then we end up into a contradiction because the ball B(0,1) has points that have distance greater than 1/2 from the spanned subspace.

You can convince yourself of this by drawing a two dimensional picture. Pretend that x-axis describes the subspace <x_1,...,x_N>, and y-axis some non spanned direction. If you draw a ball x^2+y^2 < 1, you'll see it contains points that have distance greater than 1/2 from the x-axis.
 
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if you read the book of dieudonne on foundations of modern analysis, you will find this and other beautiful results in the early chapters. in the 1960's this was taught in basic honors advanced calculus.
 
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Well it's not in the chapter on normed space (ch. 5). Are you sure you've got the right book?
 
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look at thm 5.9.4 page 109.
 
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I see! "A locally compact normed space is finite dimensional."

If the closed unit ball were compact, every closed ball would be too, and hence the space would be locally compact, and hence finite dimensional
 

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