Comparing FLRW and Scale Factor Metrics

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of different forms of the Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker (FLRW) metric, specifically examining the implications of the scale factor's placement in the metric equations. Participants explore whether these forms are equivalent and the consequences of their structures in the context of cosmological models.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the generic FLRW metric and questions its equivalence to a modified metric with the scale factor in the denominator of the time dimension.
  • Another participant clarifies that the initial metric presented is specific to the spatially flat case and requests clarification on whether that restriction is intended.
  • A participant acknowledges the flat case and suggests that the metric can grow by either increasing the spatial component or decreasing the time component, leading to the inquiry about equivalence.
  • A further contribution argues that a specific metric form is indeed flat and demonstrates this through a variable transformation, asserting that no choice of the scale factor can make it equivalent to the FLRW metric.
  • This participant also discusses the implications of coordinate transformations and the introduction of cross terms that affect the curvature, indicating that the proposed metric structure cannot achieve the desired simplicity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equivalence of the metrics discussed, with some asserting that they are not equivalent while others explore the conditions under which they might be considered similar. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the equivalence of the proposed metrics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is limited by the specific cases of the FLRW metric being considered, and the implications of coordinate transformations are not fully resolved.

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The generic FLRW metric is dS^2 = a^2.(dx^2 + dy^2) - (c.dt)^2. Is it equivalent to the metric dS^2 = (dx^2 + dy^2) - (c.dt/a)^2 with the scale factor in the denominator of the time dimension? (I suppressed one dimension just for simplicity).

Thanks for the help.
 
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That's not the generic FLRW metric. That's only for the metric for the spatially flat case. Please specify whether you want to restrict attention to this special case.
 
Yes, it can be only for the flat case. My point is: in order to get the metric growing either I can keep the space component growing or the time component decreasing and that is the reason of my question if the are equivalent or not.
 
A metric of the form

$$ds^2 = - \left( \frac{c dt}{A(t)}\right)^2 + ds_3^2 ~~~~(*)$$

is a flat metric, which you can see by defining a new variable

$$ t' = \int^{t'} \frac{c dt}{A(t)},$$

so that

$$ds^2 = - (dt')^2 + ds_3^2. $$

Therefore there is no choice of ##A(t)## such that this metric is equivalent to the FLRW metric.

$$ ds^2 = - c^2 dt^2 + a(t)^2 ds_3^2 .$$

If we were dealing with the open or closed versions of ##ds_3^2## in (*), we'd find that the curvature of the 4-metric was independent of ##A(t)## and was just given by the spatial curvature.

An equivalent form to the FLRW metric is

$$ ds^2 = a(\tau)^2 \left( - d\tau^2 + ds_3^2 \right),$$

which can be obtained by defining the so-called conformal time

$$ \tau = \int^{\tau} \frac{c dt}{a(t)}.$$

The problem with the form that you postulate is that the coordinate transformation you have to make to remove the ##a(t)## from the spatial part involves mixing the time variable with the radial variable:

$$ r' = a(t) r.$$

However, now ##dr'## involves a term with ##dt## and you'll inevitably find cross terms in the transformed metric of the form ##dt' dr'## that don't vanish (these terms preserve the curvature). There doesn't appear to be an appropriate choice of ##t'## such that you end up with the simple expression that you're hoping for, even if we were willing to let the function ##A=A(r)##.
 

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