Metric of the Universe and dependence on Cosmological P

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The discussion revolves around a proposed metric for the universe and its implications for homogeneity and isotropy, with references to the Cosmological Principle. Participants explore whether the metric can adequately describe the universe, considering its dependence on spatial coordinates and the implications of such dependence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the proposed metric cannot describe a homogeneous and isotropic universe due to its dependence on the radial coordinate ##r##.
  • Another participant notes that the metric is isotropic at ##r=0## but not homogeneous, raising questions about the significance of this point.
  • Further clarification is provided that ##r=0## represents the location of a specific observer, implying that other observers would not experience isotropy.
  • A participant introduces an alternative metric that includes spatial curvature, suggesting it may also depend on location, and discusses the implications of calculating the Ricci scalar for such metrics.
  • It is mentioned that a metric with a Ricci scalar independent of spatial coordinates is by definition homogeneous and isotropic, and that such metrics are thought to be unique under certain transformations.
  • Some participants express that while the cosmological principle may not apply universally, considering metrics that do not obey it is not entirely unreasonable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the applicability of the proposed metric to describe the universe, with some asserting it cannot represent the universe under the Cosmological Principle, while others explore the implications of alternative metrics and the nature of isotropy and homogeneity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining metrics in cosmology and the challenges associated with ensuring homogeneity and isotropy, particularly in relation to the choice of coordinates and the implications of spatial curvature.

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Let us suppose we have a metric in the form of,
$$ds^2=-c^2dt^2+[(a^2(t)+b(r)e^{-lt})(dr^2+r^2d\Omega^2)]$$
Where scale factor is defined as ##(a^2(t)+b(r)e^{-lt})##

Is this metric describes homogeneity and isotropy or not ? I think it cannot since there's an ##r## dependence, and there are only 3 allowed spatial geometries which satisfy Cosmological Principle. So r dependence on scale factor will not work, and as time goes to ##-∞## the scale factor goes to infinite. So I guess this metric cannot describe our universe ?
 
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It's isotropic at ##r=0## but not homogeneous.
 
kimbyd said:
It's isotropic at ##r=0## but not homogeneous.
What it means to say ##r=0## ? Isnt it the location of observer..?
 
Arman777 said:
What it means to say ##r=0## ? Isnt it the location of the observer..?
##r=0## is arbitrary in a homogeneous universe, but yours isn't homogeneous. It's a special point in yours - the only one at which the universe is the same in all directions.
 
Arman777 said:
What it means to say ##r=0## ? Isnt it the location of observer..?
It's the origin of your coordinate system, which yes, would be the location of a specific observer. If you translated those coordinates to the location of some other observer at a different location, then they wouldn't see an isotropic universe at all.
 
kimbyd said:
It's the origin of your coordinate system, which yes, would be the location of a specific observer. If you translated those coordinates to the location of some other observer at a different location, then they wouldn't see an isotropic universe at all.
Ibix said:
##r=0## is arbitrary in a homogeneous universe, but yours isn't homogeneous. It's a special point in yours - the only one at which the universe is the same in all directions.

I see thanks, Hence we can say that this metric cannot represent the Universe, if we consider the universe obeys CP.
 
BTW, doing this in full is beyond the scope of the post, but it is possible to write down a metric which looks like it might depend upon location, namely by including spatial curvature:

$$ds^2 = dt^2 - a(t)^2\left({dr^2 \over 1 - kr^2} + r^2d\Omega^2\right)$$

It really looks like the curvature term ##1/(1-kr^2)## might make it depend upon location in the same way as the metric in the OP. After all, if you translate coordinates, won't that denominator be different?

One way to see why it doesn't work is going through the rather daunting challenge of calculating the Ricci scalar ##R## for this metric. There's a lot of math involved in doing that, but when you do you find a result that is purely a function of ##a(t)## and its derivatives (Wikipedia has the answer here). The Ricci scalar is a measure of how much curvature there is at every point in space and time. A space-time that has a Ricci scalar that is independent of spatial coordinates is by definition homogeneous and isotropic.

Furthermore, I'm pretty sure that it's been proven that this is the only kind of metric which can have this property (that is, if you ever find a metric which has this property, you can use a coordinate transformation to turn it into the FLRW metric above).

That said, the cosmological principle does not necessarily apply to our universe, and it's not completely absurd to consider metrics that do not obey the cosmological principle. It does seem that a universe that doesn't obey the cosmological principle is a bit contrived, but it can't be rejected out of hand as impossible.
 
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That was really nice thanks.
 

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