Complement of independent events are independent

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The discussion revolves around the independence of the complements of independent events. Participants are exploring the mathematical proof that if events \(A\), \(B\), and \(C\) are independent, then their complements \(A^c\), \(B^c\), and \(C^c\) are also independent. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants present a mathematical derivation to show that \(P(A^c \cap B^c \cap C^c) = 1 - P(A \cup B \cup C)\) and express it in terms of the probabilities of \(A\), \(B\), and \(C\).
  • Others question whether the events \(A\), \(B\), and \(C\) are pairwise independent or mutually independent, and how this affects the independence of their complements.
  • One participant suggests evaluating both \(P(A^c \cap B^c)\) and \(P(A^c)P(B^c)\) to determine if they are equal, indicating a need for further verification.
  • A later reply acknowledges receiving hints that helped in reaching the desired expression, suggesting progress in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants are engaged in a mathematical exploration without a clear consensus on the independence of the complements, as questions about the nature of independence (pairwise vs. mutual) remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the definitions of independence being used, particularly in the context of complements.

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Hey! :o

Let $A,B,C$ be independent events. I want to show that $A^c, B^c, C^c$ are independent.

We have the following: \begin{align*}&P(A^c\cap B^c\cap C^c)=1-P(A\cup B\cup C)\\ & =1-\left [P(A)+P(B)+P(C)-P(A\cap B)-P(A\cap C)-P(B\cap C)-P(A\cap B\cap C)\right ] \\ & = 1-\left [P(A)+P(B)+P(C)-P(A)P(B)-P(A)P(C)-P(B)P( C)-P(A)P (B)P( C)\right ] \\ & = 1-P(A)-P(B)-P(C)+P(A)P(B)+P(A)P(C)+P(B)P( C)+P(A)P (B)P( C) \\ & = 1+P(A)\left [P(B)-1\right ]+P(C)\left [P(A)-1\right ]+P(B)\left [P( C)-1\right ]+P(A)P (B)P( C) \\ & = 1-P(A)P(B^c)-P(C)P(A^c)-P(B)P( C^c)+P(A)P (B)P( C)\end{align*} Is everything correct so far? How could we continue? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

Let $A,B,C$ be independent events. I want to show that $A^c, B^c, C^c$ are independent.

We have the following: \begin{align*}&P(A^c\cap B^c\cap C^c)=1-P(A\cup B\cup C)\\ & =1-\left [P(A)+P(B)+P(C)-P(A\cap B)-P(A\cap C)-P(B\cap C)-P(A\cap B\cap C)\right ] \\ & = 1-\left [P(A)+P(B)+P(C)-P(A)P(B)-P(A)P(C)-P(B)P( C)-P(A)P (B)P( C)\right ] \\ & = 1-P(A)-P(B)-P(C)+P(A)P(B)+P(A)P(C)+P(B)P( C)+P(A)P (B)P( C) \\ & = 1+P(A)\left [P(B)-1\right ]+P(C)\left [P(A)-1\right ]+P(B)\left [P( C)-1\right ]+P(A)P (B)P( C) \\ & = 1-P(A)P(B^c)-P(C)P(A^c)-P(B)P( C^c)+P(A)P (B)P( C)\end{align*} Is everything correct so far? How could we continue? (Wondering)

Note that the expression is same as $(1-P(A))(1-P(B))(1-P(C))$, which is same as $P(A^c)P(B^c)P(C^c)$.
 
Hey mathmari! (Smile)

If $A,B,C$ are independent events, are they pairwise independent?
That is $P(A\cap B)=P(A)P(B)$, and the same for the other pairs?

Or are they mutually independent?

Anyway, let's start with $A^c,B^c$. These are independent iff $P(A^c\cap B^c)=P(A^c)P(B^c)$.
Can we evaluate both $P(A^c\cap B^c)$ and $P(A^c)P(B^c)$ to see if they are equal? (Wondering)
mathmari said:
$$1-P(A\cup B\cup C) =1-\left [P(A)+P(B)+P(C)-P(A\cap B)-P(A\cap C)-P(B\cap C)-P(A\cap B\cap C)\right ]$$

Shouldn't that be:
$$1-P(A\cup B\cup C) =1-\left [P(A)+P(B)+P(C)-P(A\cap B)-P(A\cap C)-P(B\cap C){\color{red}+}P(A\cap B\cap C)\right ]$$
(Wondering)
 
Thank you for the hints! I got now the desired expression! (Yes)
 

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