Completeness Relation: 2 Questions Answered

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The discussion revolves around the completeness relation in quantum mechanics, specifically addressing two questions: the applicability of the completeness relation for normalized sets of state vectors and the definition of a function in the continuous case that maintains unit normalization. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the completeness relation holds for normalized sets of state vectors defined as ## | \phi_{j} \rangle = c_{j} |n_{j}\rangle ##, where ##\sum_{j=1}^{m} |c_{j}|^2=1##.
  • Others assert that the trace of the unit operator is not one, suggesting a problem with the completeness relation in this context.
  • A participant corrects their earlier statement regarding the completeness relation, maintaining that the second question still holds.
  • There is a discussion about the trace of the operator ##| f(n) \rangle \langle f(n) |##, with some arguing that it is one if ##n## is a scalar, while others clarify that the trace is always a scalar and depends on the dimensionality of the vector space.
  • One participant presents a mathematical derivation involving the completeness relation and the coefficients ##c_{i}##, leading to a conclusion about the trace being equal to ##m##.
  • Another participant challenges the compatibility of the conditions regarding the coefficients ##c_{i}## and the completeness relation, stating that it is impossible to find such coefficients that satisfy the given conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the applicability of the completeness relation for normalized sets of state vectors and the implications of the trace of the operators involved. Multiple competing views remain on these issues, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the coefficients ##c_{i}## and their relationship to the completeness relation, as well as the dependence on the definitions of normalization and trace in different contexts.

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Two questions regarding the completeness relation:

First: I understand that the completeness relation holds for basis vectors such that ## \sum_{j=1}^{m} | n_{j} \rangle \langle n_{j} | =\mathbb{I}##. Does it also hold for unit-normalized sets of state vectors as well, where ## | \phi_{j} \rangle = c_{j} |n_{j}\rangle ##, because ##\sum_{j=1}^{m} |c_{j}|^2=1 ##, such that ## \sum_{j=1}^{m} | \phi_{j} \rangle \langle \phi_{j} | =\mathbb{I}##? I assume it does not hold for non-unit-normalized sets of state vectors.

Second: For the continuous case, can one define a function ##f(n)=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \phi_{n} dn ##, unit-normalized such that ##\int_{\mathbb{R}} |f(n)|^2 dn =1##, such that ## | f(n) \rangle \langle f(n) | = 1 ##?
 
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No. The trace of the unit operator is not one so you have a problem there already.
 
Thank you for your response. You are right. I made a correction on the first question; the second one still holds:

First: I understand that the completeness relation holds for basis vectors such that ## \sum_{j=1}^{m} | n_{j} \rangle \langle n_{j} | =\mathbb{I}##. Does it also hold for normalized sets of state vectors as well, where ## | \phi_{j} \rangle = c_{j} |n_{j}\rangle ##, where ##\sum_{j=1}^{m} |c_{j}|^2=\mathbb{I} ##, such that ## \sum_{j=1}^{m} | \phi_{j} \rangle \langle \phi_{j} | =\mathbb{I}##?.

Second: For a continuous case, can one define a function ##f(n)=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \phi_{n} dn ## , unit-normalized such that ## \int_{\mathbb{R}} |f(n)|^2 dn =1##, such that ##| f(n) \rangle \langle f(n) | = 1 ##?
 
No. Same reason.
 
Not entirely sure to what you are referring. Trace for ## | f(n) \rangle \langle f(n) |## is 1 if n is a scalar. If n a vector, ##| f(n) \rangle \langle f(n) | =\mathbb{I}. ##. Is that the concern?
 
The trace is always a scalar. The trace of the identity operator in an ##n## dimensional vector space is ##n##. Obviously, your "normalised set of vectors" has trace 1, not ##n##.
 
Given ##c_{i}^* c_{j} = \delta_{ij}## such that:
Where ## | \phi_j \rangle = c_j |n_j \rangle ##:
##\sum_{j=1}^{m} | \phi_j \rangle \langle \phi | = \sum_{j=1}^{m} c_j| n_j \rangle \langle n | c_j ^* ##
##\sum_{j=1}^{m} c_j| n_j \rangle \langle n | c_j ^* = \sum_{j=1}^{m} | n_j \rangle |c_j|^2 \langle n | ##
## \sum_{j=1}^{m} | n_j \rangle |c_j|^2\langle n | = \sum_{j=1}^{m} | n_j \rangle \langle n | = \mathbb{I}##

Thus:
Trace##\left(\sum_{j=1}^{m} | \phi_j \rangle \langle \phi |\right)=m##
 
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redtree said:
Given ##c_{i}^* c_{j} = \delta_{ij}## such that:
This is not compatible with your claim that ##\sum_{i = 1}^m |c_i|^2 = 1##, nor is it compatible with ##\sum_{i=1}^M |c_i|^2 = \mathbb I## (actually, there is no difference between those two statements since the latter applied to a state is the same as multiplying the state by the former). If you are trying to ask whether you can use any complete orthonormal basis to make a completeness relation, the answer is yes by definition.

Edit: It is also impossible to find ##c_i## such that the relation ##c_i^* c_j = \delta_{ij}## holds. As the components of a matrix, the matrix on the LHS has rank 1 while the one on the RHS has rank m.
 
## c^i c_j = \delta_j^i## then?
 
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redtree said:
## c^i c_j = \delta_j^i## then?
Still no. Still an impossible condition.
 

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