Complex conjugate of a wavefunction

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The discussion centers around the meaning and implications of the complex conjugate of a wavefunction (ψ*) in quantum mechanics. Participants explore its role in calculating probabilities and its mathematical significance within the framework of quantum theory, including references to bra-ket notation and Hilbert spaces.

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  • Some participants explain that ψ*ψ represents the probability density, which, when integrated, gives the probability of finding a particle in a specific region.
  • Others note that ψ* is necessary to ensure the probability is a real number, as ψ itself is complex and can vary by an arbitrary phase factor.
  • A participant mentions that the complex conjugate's significance becomes clearer when discussing states in vector spaces and their duals, particularly in the context of bra-ket notation.
  • Some contributions highlight that while ψ* is the complex conjugate, its interpretation in terms of the phase of the wavefunction lacks a clear intuitive understanding.
  • One participant introduces advanced concepts such as Gleason's Theorem and the nature of states as operators, suggesting a deeper mathematical foundation for understanding probabilities in quantum mechanics.

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Participants express various interpretations and implications of the complex conjugate, with no consensus reached on a singular understanding or interpretation. Multiple competing views remain regarding its physical meaning and mathematical role.

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Some statements rely on specific mathematical frameworks, such as Hilbert spaces and inner products, which may not be universally understood among all participants. There are also references to advanced topics that may not be accessible to beginners.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of quantum mechanics, particularly those seeking to understand the mathematical underpinnings of wavefunctions and probability calculations in quantum theory.

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Let ψ be a wavefunction describes the quantum state of a particle at any (x,t), What does ψ* i.e, the complex conjugate of a wavefunction means? I only know probability of finding a particle is given by ∫|ψ|^2 dx= ∫ ψ*ψ dx But what does ψ*ψ really means? I started learning QM with Griffiths without enough mathematical background, Help me.
 
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As you said, supposing that you have a wave function ψ(x) describing your particle in space, then \int_a^b \psi^*(x)\psi(x)dx is the probability of finding your particle between the points a and b.

It follows that \psi^*(x)\psi(x) is the so called probability density. It is nothing but the function that, when integrated, gives you the probability itself.
 
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If you measure the position of the particle, at time t, ψ*ψ(x,t) represents the likelihood that you will find it to be at position x... or more accurately within between x and x+dx.

As for what ψ* means, it's the complex conjugate of the wavefunction... but of course you already know that. If you're looking for a nice intuitive way to interpret the physical meaning of the phase of a wavefunction, then I'm afraid I don't think that there is one.
 
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Kosomoko said:
As for what ψ* means, it's the complex conjugate of the wavefunction... but of course you already know that. If you're looking for a nice intuitive way to interpret the physical meaning of the phase of a wavefunction, then I'm afraid I don't think that there is one.

Exactly, this is just how the mathematical formalism of Quantum Mechanics works.
 
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you only need \psi^{*} because you need to have a real thing to integrate over to get probability... \psi alone is complex, and also it's arbitrary up to an overall phase... that means that either you take \psi or e^{i \theta} \psi they both are solutions of the same shrodinger equation. As such you must make it real, or you'd have arbitrary probabilities depending on a phase...
One quantity that is for sure real is \psi^{*} \psi and nothing is "lost" from \psi's initial parameters (if for example you write \psi=a+ib the result will contain both a and b...

Another example in which you can see that, is when you have \psi real, where you don't need the complex conjugate and just take the square...

In fact the complex conjugate's "meaning" (mathematical) becomes clearer when you start working on the states in vector spaces... The conjugate appears as a relation between the bras and kets, and thus between the vector and its dual space.
 
Muthumanimaran said:
Let ψ be a wavefunction describes the quantum state of a particle at any (x,t), What does ψ* i.e, the complex conjugate of a wavefunction means?

Its got to do with the bra-ket notation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra–ket_notation

The wavefunction is looked at as the Ket - its conjugate as the Bra - apply a Bra to a Ket and square it to get probabilities - that's the Born rule.

At a deeper level states are not actually Bra's or Kets - they are really operators - what are normally referred to as states have a special name called pure.

At an even deeper level again it is seen states are really what's required so we can work out probabilities of the outcomes of observables - this is the important Gleason's Theorem (the key assumption is what is known as non contextuality you may have heard about):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleason's_theorem

It's a devil of a thing to prove however so its not usually talked about much at the beginning level despite its importance.

There is a variant that is much easier to prove and some people use it as the foundation of QM eg:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0205039v1.pdf

Anyway that will take you to a pretty advanced level. For now what I would do is get a hold of Ballentine:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/9810241054/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Its mathematically quite a bit more advanced than Griffiths. But hold onto your nerves and give the first 3 chapters a read. You won't likely understand too much of the detail, but, hopefully, fingers crossed, you will get the gist so that things are a lot clearer, and Griffiths will be easier. Once you have finished Griffiths you can move onto Ballentine.

Thanks
Bill
 
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Muthumanimaran said:
Let ψ be a wavefunction describes the quantum state of a particle at any (x,t), What does ψ* i.e, the complex conjugate of a wavefunction means? I only know probability of finding a particle is given by ∫|ψ|^2 dx= ∫ ψ*ψ dx But what does ψ*ψ really means? I started learning QM with Griffiths without enough mathematical background, Help me.

ψ is an element of a Hilbert space; ψ* is an element of it's dual space.

The Dirac bra-ket notation makes use of this: |ψ> is an element of the Hilbert space, and <ψ| is it's dual.

Following the general conventions for vector spaces with an inner product, we have <ψ|ψ> is the inner product, and it generates a real number.
 

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