Complex numbers representing Real numbers

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of complex numbers in the context of solving a cubic equation, specifically examining how complex solutions can relate back to real solutions. The focus is on the algebraic manipulation involved in the Cardan formula and the implications of using complex numbers to find real roots.

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  • One participant references a book explaining how Bombelli derived real solutions from a cubic equation using complex numbers.
  • The participant expresses confusion about how complex solutions lead back to a real solution of 4.
  • Another participant suggests that the real solution can be obtained by simply adding the two complex terms together.
  • Several participants note a technical issue with LaTeX formatting in the thread, indicating a common problem with displaying mathematical expressions.

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There is no consensus on the interpretation of how complex numbers relate to the real solution of the cubic equation. Participants have differing views on the algebraic steps involved.

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The discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the algebraic manipulation of complex numbers and their relation to real solutions, as well as technical issues with LaTeX formatting that may affect clarity.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying algebra, particularly in the context of complex numbers and their applications in solving polynomial equations.

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I got this out of An Imaginary Tale: The Story of Sqrt(-1). In section 1.5 of the book, the author explains that Bombelli took x3 = 15x + 4 and found the real solutions: 4, -2±sqrt(3). But if you plug the equation into the Cardan formula you get imaginaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardan_formula#Cardano.27s_method

The author shows that if a and b are some yet to be determined real numbers where:

[tex]\sqrt[3]{2+\sqrt{-121}} = a+b\sqrt{-1}[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt[3]{2-\sqrt{-121}} = a-b\sqrt{-1}[/tex]

Then he takes the first equation and cubes both sides, does a bunch of Algebra and gets:

[tex]2+\sqrt{-121} = a(a^2-3b^2)+b(3a^2-b^2)\sqrt{-1}[/tex]

And says if this is equal to the complex number, [tex]2+\sqrt{-121}[/tex] then the real and imaginary parts must be separately equal. Then he splits terms into:

[tex]a(a^2-3b^2) = 2[/tex]

[tex]b(3a^2-b^2)\sqrt{-1}=11[/tex]

To find that a = 2 and b = 1, then says "With these results Bombelli showed that the Cardan solution is 4 and this is correct."

The very last part is where I don't understand how all that complex stuff arrives back at 4. Even though, through simple Algebra with the very first equation with have real solutions.. Any help would be awesome. Thanks.
 
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Isn't he just adding the two terms? (2 + sqrt(-1)) + (2 - sqrt(-1)) = 4. (Sorry, the tex formatting was acting weird in preview mode so I ditched it.)
 
DoctorBinary said:
(Sorry, the tex formatting was acting weird in preview mode so I ditched it.)
Known problem on this site. If you refresh your browser, the LaTeX will show up correctly. The problem seems to occur when there is already some LaTeX script in the browser's cache it will display what's in the cache, rather than what you are trying to preview.
 
Mark44 said:
Known problem on this site. If you refresh your browser, the LaTeX will show up correctly. The problem seems to occur when there is already some LaTeX script in the browser's cache it will display what's in the cache, rather than what you are trying to preview.

Thanks (I thought I was going crazy).
 

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