Complex Numbers: Why Use Complex Conjugate?

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The discussion revolves around the use of complex conjugates in operations involving complex numbers, particularly in multiplication and division. Participants explore the implications of using complex conjugates in mathematical expressions and their significance in applications such as telecommunications.

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  • One participant questions why the complex conjugate operator is used in multiplication when dealing with complex numbers.
  • Another participant suggests that using the complex conjugate allows for complex division and fractions, providing a comparison of two expressions involving complex numbers.
  • A different participant expresses confusion about the physical meaning of the complex conjugate in the context of telecommunications and baseband signals.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of obtaining a simpler result when using the conjugate, comparing it to real number multiplication.
  • Another participant notes that the product of a complex number and its conjugate results in a positive real number, highlighting a specific property of this operation.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the use of complex conjugates, with some seeking clarification and others providing examples. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different perspectives and applications.

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Some participants reference specific mathematical expressions and properties without fully resolving the implications or assumptions underlying their claims. The discussion includes a mix of theoretical and practical considerations.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in complex numbers, telecommunications, and mathematical operations involving complex analysis.

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Hello,

Why when dealing with complex numbers, as with multiplication, we use the complex conjugate operator?

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So we can do complex 'division' and fractions.

Compare what happens in the following

\frac{{a + ib}}{{c + id}}*\frac{{c - id}}{{c - id}}

with

\frac{{a + ib}}{{c + id}}*\frac{{c + id}}{{c + id}}
 


Studiot said:
So we can do complex 'division' and fractions.

Compare what happens in the following

\frac{{a + ib}}{{c + id}}*\frac{{c - id}}{{c - id}}

with

\frac{{a + ib}}{{c + id}}*\frac{{c + id}}{{c + id}}

I didn't get it. I mean, in telecommunication systems, when we deal with baseband signals, we deal with complex numbers, and all the time we use the complex conjugate operator, but I don't understand why and what it is mean physically.
 
I did expect you to work my examples out.

Which one contained the conjugate and which one leads to a single complex number result?

If you apply a formula in real analysis say 27*3 you want the simple answer 81, not something more difficult than you started with such as

{\left( {\sqrt 9 } \right)^2}*{\left( {\sqrt 9 } \right)^2}

The same is true of complex numbers.

What does simple multiplication by a conjugate yield by the way ( a real number)?
 
The product of a complex number and its conjugate has the nice property that is a real number- and for any z other than 0 [math]z*\overline{z}[/math] is a positive real number.
 

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