Compute Limit of 4-Vectors: p and q

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The discussion revolves around computing the limit of a specific expression involving two four-vectors, p and q, where p is timelike and q is spacelike. The expression in question is given as a fraction that approaches a limit as q tends to zero.

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  • Participants explore different frames of reference for the four-vectors, particularly focusing on the implications of defining q in various ways. There is an attempt to analyze the limit by substituting specific values for q, leading to different results based on the choice of q. Questions arise regarding the validity of these choices and their impact on the limit computation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the assumptions made about the vectors. Some guidance has been offered regarding identities that might be relevant, but there is no clear consensus on how to proceed with the limit calculation.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the nature of the vectors (timelike and spacelike) and the specific limit being considered. There is also mention of additional information regarding the vector (p-q) being in a certain set, which may influence the analysis.

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I've the following problem. I have two four-vectors p and q where p is timelike ([tex]p^{2} > 0[/tex]) and q is spacelike([tex]q^{2} < 0[/tex]).
Now I should consider the quantity

[tex]- \dfrac{2 (pq)^{2} + p^{2} q^{2}}{q^{2}}[/tex]

and compute the limit [tex]q \to 0[/tex].

But I don't know how to perform the limit procedure. Could anyone help me please?

I already tried to consider the problem in a special frame with [tex]p=(p^{0}, \vec{0})[/tex] but it doesn't help.
 
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Can you show some more detail of the work you did?
 
My attempt so far was not successfully. I considered a special frame where [tex]p = \left( p^{0}, \vec{0} \right)[/tex] which is possible, because p is timelike. Furthermore I defined [tex]q = (0, \epsilon, \epsilon, \epsilon)[/tex]. This will lead to:

[tex]- \dfrac{2 (pq)^{2} + p^{2} q^{2}}{q^{2}} = - p_{0}^{2}[/tex]

and for arbitrary p we should have: [tex]- p^{2}[/tex].

But somehow I don't think that I can specify q in this way. Another choice of q, e.g. [tex]q = (\epsilon, \epsilon, \epsilon, \epsilon)[/tex] would lead to a vanishing contribution [tex]= 0[/tex], so I don't know how to compute the considered quantity. Obviously it depends on the choice of q.

Any idea how to do that?
 
I've one further information, but I don't know if it helps: [tex](p-q) \in V^{+}[/tex].

So, I also tried to consider a special frame where
[tex]p-q = (p^{0} - q^{0}, \vec{0})[/tex].

Which leads to [tex]\vec{p} = \vec{q}[/tex] and therefore:

[tex]- \dfrac{2 (pq)^{2} + p^{2} q^{2}}{q^{2}} = - \dfrac{2 (p^{0} q^{0} - \vec{p} \, ^{2})^{2} + p^{2} (q_{0}^{2} - \vec{p} \, ^{2})}{q_{0} - \vec{p} \, ^{2}} \simeq 2 \vec{p} \, ^{2} - p^{2}[/tex]

Then I rewrite the last [tex]\vec{p} \, ^{2}[/tex] into [tex]\vec{p} \cdot \vec{q}[/tex] and finally obtain (again): [tex]-p^{2}[/tex].

But it appears questionable to do the computation like this.

Could anyone help me please?
 
Pephaps the identity (p+q)2 = p2 + q2 +2pq might be of help.
 
... it does not really help
 

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