Compute \oint F \cdot t dS of Spiral Surface

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The problem involves computing the integral \(\oint F \cdot t dS\) over a spiral surface parametrized by \((x,y,z) = (u \cos v, u \sin v, v)\) for \(0 < u < 1\) and \(0 < v < \frac{\pi}{2}\), with the vector field \(F(x,y,z) = (z,x,y)\). Participants are exploring the implications of the surface's topology on the use of Stokes' theorem.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to compute the tangent vector and the dot product for the surface integral but questions the validity of using Stokes' theorem due to concerns about the surface's connectivity.
  • Some participants question the notation and clarify the distinction between line and surface integrals, suggesting a need to define the path for the integral.
  • Others suggest that if the surface is simply connected, Stokes' theorem could be applicable, leading to a potential evaluation of the curl of \(F\) instead.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. There is a recognition that the surface may be simply connected, which could allow for the application of Stokes' theorem. However, confusion remains regarding the proper formulation of the integral and the implications of the surface's parametrization.

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Participants are grappling with the concepts of simply connected surfaces and the appropriate use of integral theorems in the context of the problem. There is uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the integral notation and the implications for the computation.

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Let S be the spiral surface parametrized by {(x,y,z) | x=ucosv, y=usinv, z=v} where 0<u<1 and 0<v<Pi/2. Let F(x,y,z) = (z,x,y) and compute [tex]\oint F \cdot t dS[/tex].

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Let me explain where I'm not certain. I can compute the tangent vector t quite easily given the parametrization of S (using the chain rule) and parametrize F with x=ucosv, y=usinv, and z=v. Then I can put it all into the dot product, get a nice scalar equation, and do a surface integral over u and v - not bad. But is that the best way to approach it? Here's what I'm wondering: if I look at the spiral surface, it's not simply connected (right?) so I can't use Stoke's theorem. At least, that's what I think - but I seem to be having a hard time getting the simply connected concept into my head. Am I right (that the region isn't simply connected)? If I drew a curve around the spiral and tried to shrink it down, I'd have trouble when I got to the center of the spiral - so I think it's not simply connected...

Basically, I'm looking for the most efficient way of solving the problem. But I'm not sure if that's my approach or not. Any comments?
 
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I am confused about your notation. The circuit integral suggests a line integral and yet you seem to be discussing a surface integral. What is the tangent vector t tangent to? And, given a circuit integral, what is the path? Given a surface, normally dS would refer to an area element. Is it to represent arc length, in which case you might mean t ds and the whole thing a line integral usually written as:

[tex]\oint \vec F \cdot d\vec{R}[/tex]

And to answer your other question, that portion of the surface certainly is simply connected, in fact the whole surface is.
 
Oh, you're right - I don't know what I was thinking. I guess it's not even clear to me how to evaluate this as a line integral unless I can set either u or v constant. Now I am more confused.

But I guess if it's simply connected (I think I'm beginning to see how it COULD be, thank goodness) I could use Stokes' theorem and instead do the integral [tex]\int\int \nablaxFdS[/tex] instead.
 
oops - the Tex part didn't show up. I meant that instead I could do the surface integral of curl(F) instead of the line integral F dot t.
 
Well, if the line integral is around the boundary of that surface, Stokes seems like a good idea. You do have a nice paramaterization to work with.
 

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