Computers for understanding physics

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The discussion explores the role of computers in understanding natural phenomena, particularly in the context of physics. Participants debate whether computers can independently facilitate understanding complex topics like quantum mechanics and high energy physics, and how they can be utilized as tools for learning and exploration in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that while computers can assist in understanding natural phenomena, a foundational knowledge of physics is necessary to effectively use these tools.
  • Others challenge the notion that studying physics is a prerequisite for using computers, citing examples of individuals who use computers without formal physics education.
  • A participant suggests that the phrasing of the argument could be improved to clarify that knowledge of physics enhances the use of computers for deeper understanding.
  • There is a question about the extent to which computers can independently generate explanations for physical phenomena, with some suggesting that while it's theoretically possible, it remains unproven.
  • Concerns are raised about the ambiguity of the original question regarding the capabilities of computers in understanding all natural phenomena.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of physics knowledge for using computers effectively. There is no consensus on whether computers can independently understand or explain natural phenomena, and the discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights varying interpretations of the role of computers in physics, with some participants seeking clarification on the original premise and others providing examples of computer applications in physics.

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Is it possible that people would be able to know about each natural phenomenon with the help of computers. I don't think so because how one will know about the quantum mechanics or high energy physics! So, I mean that only humans can only do this, right? Or, is going to be possible in the near/far future or ever?
And one more question : please send me the link or tell me that how people are getting near this aim with the computers, I mean, how they are doing it?
 
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I use Excel spreadsheets to help understand the natural phenomena discussed in my physics book. I used named ranges to define variables and use charts to see my results. I adjust the parameters of my solutions and see how this affects the answers. I integrate curves numerically. Recently, I used Excel to plot the electric field lines around a pair of unequal charges. So, yes, computers can help understand natural phenomena. But, in my opinion, it is necessary to study physics in order to know how to use computers.
 
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Gene Naden said:
But, in my opinion, it is necessary to study physics in order to know how to use computers.
Counterexample: I've seen three-year-olds use computers quite nimbly. It should go without saying that they didn't study physics beforehand.

In addition, there are millions of people who use computers every day, who have never studied physics.
 
I think what @Gene Naden meant was that one needs to know a bit of physics to be able to use computers to deepen this knowledge, so the better wording would be "it is necessary to study physics in order to know how to use computers to study physics further".

But than I can be completely off.
 
rahaverhma said:
Is it possible that people would be able to know about each natural phenomenon with the help of computers.
That 'each' baffles me.
Otherwise KSP would be a good example I think.
 
What @Borek said was right on. I meant that one needs to study physics in order to use computers to understand natural phenomena.
 
rahaverhma said:
Is it possible that people would be able to know about each natural phenomenon with the help of computers. I don't think so because how one will know about the quantum mechanics or high energy physics! So, I mean that only humans can only do this, right? Or, is going to be possible in the near/far future or ever?

I do not understand the premise of your question. What exactly does it mean with "... people would be able to know about each natural phenomenon with the help of computers ... "?

Are you saying that people can understand a physical phenomena simply by using a computer, just like reading a book? Or are you asking if it is possible that a computer comes up with its own explanation of a phenomenon, and then explain it to a human being?

Without any kind of clarification of what the actual issue is, this is a vague and undefined topic.

Zz.
 
rahaverhma said:
Is it possible that people would be able to know about each natural phenomenon with the help of computers. I don't think so because how one will know about the quantum mechanics or high energy physics! So, I mean that only humans can only do this, right? Or, is going to be possible in the near/far future or ever?
And one more question : please send me the link or tell me that how people are getting near this aim with the computers, I mean, how they are doing it?
Some complex problems in Physics can only be solved computationally, and in that sense, computers help you understand the natural phenomena. If your question is, however, if computers can develop the theories themselves - it's possible, but that is yet to be seen AFAIK.
 
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