Computing a Generating Set in Cohomology

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The discussion revolves around computing an explicit generating set for the first deRham cohomology group \( H^1(X) \) of the space \( X = \mathbb{R}^2 - \{p, q\} \). Participants explore various approaches to identify 1-forms that generate this cohomology, considering both theoretical frameworks and practical challenges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the generating set for \( H^1(X) \) can be represented by the pairs {(0, +/- 1), (+/-1, 0)} and questions how to map these into corresponding 1-forms.
  • Another participant proposes the 1-form \( \omega = \frac{ydx - xdy}{x^2 + y^2} \) as a closed form that serves as a basis for \( H^1(\mathbb{R}^2\setminus\{(0,0)\}) \) and questions whether the pullbacks \( F^*\omega \) and \( G^*\omega \) would generate elements of \( H^1(X) \).
  • A participant raises concerns about defining the maps \( F \) and \( G \) appropriately, noting that \( \omega \) is not defined on the entire plane and suggesting the need for a suitable restriction.
  • Another participant discusses the homotopy equivalence of \( \mathbb{R}^2 - \{p, q\} \) to a wedge of circles and the implications for pulling back forms, expressing uncertainty about finding an explicit generating set for singular homology.
  • One participant believes that finding an explicit generating set for singular homology should be straightforward, suggesting that cycles surrounding points \( p \) and \( q \) could be used to derive associated 1-forms for the deRham groups.
  • A later reply indicates that the original poster found a simpler solution than anticipated, though the details of this solution are not discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the methods to compute the generating set, with no consensus reached on a definitive approach or solution. There are differing opinions on the feasibility of finding explicit generating sets and the application of homotopy equivalences.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenges in defining appropriate maps and the complexity of pulling back forms, as well as the reliance on the Mayer-Vietoris sequence for potential insights into generating sets.

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Hi, this issue came up in another site:

We want to compute ( not just ) the deRham cohomology of ## X=\mathbb R^2 - ##{p,q} , but also

an explicit generating set for ## H^1 (X) = \mathbb Z (+) \mathbb Z## in deRham cohomology . Only explicit
generating set I can see here is {(0, +/- 1),(+/-1,0)}. How to map this into a pair of 1-forms that generate the first deRham cohomology?

We can get the actual cohomology using , e.g., Mayer Vietoris, but , without an explicit isomorphism, I don't see how to get a generating set. Maybe we can use the explicit maps in the
MV sequence to get some generators (in the deRham chain complex) ?

I was thinking of this: we compute ## H^1(X) ##, then we know all theories are equivalent, so this gives us singular cohomology , and then we use the explicit isomorphism in deRham's theorem to get some generators? We would see where the generators are sent.
 
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A standard example is the 1-form

\omega = \frac{ydx - xdy}{x^2 + y^2}

This defines a closed form on ##\mathbb{R}^2\setminus \{(0,0)\}## that is not exact. So it serves as a basis for the cohomology group ##H^1(\mathbb{R}^2\setminus\{(0,0)\)##.

Then consider the diffeomorphisms ##F,G:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^2## by ##F(x,y) = (x,y) - p## and ##G(x,y) = (x,y) - q##, where ##p,q\in\mathbb{R}^2##.

Are then ##F^*\omega## and ##G^*\omega## not generating elements of ##H^1(X)##
 
Thanks; if I understood you correctly, I think you need to define maps F,G on or into ## \mathbb R^2 -p ## to be able to pull back the information, because w is not defined in the entire plane.

I was trying something similar, but the problem is that ## \mathbb R^2 -{p,q} ## retracts into a wedge of circles, but is not homeomorphic to it, and I don't see how to use a homotopy equivalence to pullback a form.

I still think deRham's isomorphism , if we can use singular, will send generators to generators. But, again, we would need to know an explicit generating set for singular. Maybe the actual maps in Mayer-Vietoris can help get the explicit generating set. Thanks.
 
WWGD said:
Thanks; if I understood you correctly, I think you need to define maps F,G on or into ## \mathbb R^2 -p ## to be able to pull back the information, because w is not defined in the entire plane.

Yes, you can just restrict domain and codomain to something suitable.

I still think deRham's isomorphism , if we can use singular, will send generators to generators.

Sure.

But, again, we would need to know an explicit generating set for singular.

Finding an explicit generating set for singular homology doesn't seem all that difficult. The intuition is that a circle around one of the points cannot be deformed to a point. So the idea is just to take two cycles, one surrounding ##p## and one surrounding ##q##. Then (in theory) we can find 1-forms associated with these cycles which form a basis for the deRham groups, but this seems difficult in practice.
 
Never mind, thanks, I found the answer. It is simpler than I thought.
 

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