Computing Null Geodesics in Schwarzschild Geometry

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The discussion revolves around computing null geodesics in Schwarzschild geometry, contrasting them with timelike geodesics. Participants explore the implications of using different parameters for null geodesics and the conservation of quantities in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the effective Lagrangian for timelike geodesics and questions how the approach changes for null geodesics, particularly regarding the parameterization and conservation of momentum.
  • Another participant suggests that the right-hand side of the equation for null geodesics changes from 1 to 0, referencing Carroll's method of using Killing fields to derive expressions for conserved quantities.
  • A third participant agrees with the previous point, stating that the conserved energy and angular momentum quantities maintain the same form due to their relationship with Killing fields.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the nature of the parameter ##\lambda## for null geodesics, with one participant noting that it lacks direct physical meaning compared to proper time.
  • Another participant elaborates that ##\lambda## can be chosen to represent the 4-frequency of a light signal, although multiple signals can share the same geodesic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the change from 1 to 0 in the equations for null geodesics and the form of conserved quantities. However, there is no consensus on the physical interpretation of the parameter ##\lambda##, indicating ongoing exploration and differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of geodesics and the implications of parameterization, which may not be universally applicable. The dependence on specific definitions and the potential for multiple interpretations of ##\lambda## are acknowledged.

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Computing timelike geodesics in the Schwarzschild geometry is pretty straightforward using conserved quantities. You can treat the problem as a variational problem with an effective Lagrangian of

##\mathcal{L} = \frac{1}{2} (Q \frac{dt}{d\tau}^2 - \frac{1}{Q} \frac{dr}{d\tau}^2 - r^2 (\frac{d\theta}{d\tau}^2 + sin^2(\theta) \frac{d\phi}{d\tau}^2))##

where ##Q = 1 - \frac{2GM}{r}##

This "lagrangian" leads to the following conserved quantities:

  1. ##K = Q \frac{dt}{d\tau}##
  2. ##L = r^2 \frac{d\phi}{dt}## (You can choose ##\theta## and ##\phi## so that ##\theta = \frac{\pi}{2}##, so all the radial motion is due to changing of ##\phi##
  3. ##\mathcal{L}## itself, which is always equal to 1/2.

In terms of these conserved quantities, the geodesics are completely determined by ##\frac{dr}{d\tau}##, which satisfies the one-D equation:

##\frac{1}{Q} (K^2 - \frac{dr}{dt}^2 ) - \frac{L^2}{r^2} = 1##

My question is: How are things changed if we are computing a null geodesic, instead of a timelike geodesic? The biggest change is that you can't use proper time as the parameter (since it's identically zero for null geodesics, by definition). If you replace ##\tau## by a different parameter, ##\lambda##, I'm assuming that it's still true that there is something like angular momentum that is conserved, but I'm not sure about the first equation, which is about the conservation of the ##t## component of momentum.
 
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The 1 becomes a zero, I think.

Carroll does it by observing that there is a Killing field parallel to ##\partial_t## and another parallel to ##\partial_\phi##, hence writing expressions for ##dt/d\lambda## and ##d\phi/d\lambda## in terms of conserved quantities along a geodesic, restricting himself to the equatorial plane, noting that ##g_{\mu\nu}\frac{dx^\mu}{d\lambda}\frac{dx^\nu}{d\lambda}## is either 0, -1, or +1, and solving for ##dr/d\lambda##. I think that's your last equation, give or take the value on the RHS.
 
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Indeed, the 1 becoming a zero is the only change. The conserved ”energy” and ”angular momentum” quantities take the same form as they are the inner product between an affinely parametrized geodesic’s tangent and a Killing field.
 
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Orodruin said:
Indeed, the 1 becoming a zero is the only change. The conserved ”energy” and ”angular momentum” quantities take the same form as they are the inner product between an affinely parametrized geodesic’s tangent and a Killing field.
So what is the parameter ##\lambda## for a null geodesic?
 
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stevendaryl said:
So what is the parameter ##\lambda## for a null geodesic?
It does not have direct physical meaning the same way proper time does as you can reparametrize the geodesic without changing that the tangent vector us null.

If you want you could choose it such that the tangent vector is the 4-frequency of a light signal following that geodesic. However, there can be several such signals following the same geodesic.
 
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