COMSOL for thin film heterostructures

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of COMSOL software for modeling intrinsic stress in thin film heterostructures. Participants explore the software's capabilities, limitations, and resources for modeling materials, including amorphous substances and complex microstructures.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether COMSOL is suitable for modeling intrinsic stress in thin film heterostructures, noting the absence of certain material properties like lattice parameters in the software's database.
  • Another participant explains that while COMSOL is effective for continuum mechanics modeling, capturing intrinsic stresses is more challenging due to limitations in modeling lattice structures and microstructures directly.
  • A different participant mentions their experience with modeling thin films using COMSOL and requests resources such as PDFs or tutorials to assist with 3D modeling.
  • One participant suggests checking the official documentation and model library as valuable resources for getting started with COMSOL.
  • Another participant notes they do not have access to the official documentation, indicating a potential barrier to learning the software.
  • There is a suggestion to inquire about available tutorials and models that could align with the user's specific modeling problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with COMSOL and its resources, but there is no consensus on the effectiveness of the software for modeling intrinsic stress in thin film heterostructures. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the capabilities and limitations of COMSOL.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the modeling of amorphous materials and the challenges of representing intrinsic stresses within a continuum framework. There are also references to the need for specific resources and documentation to aid in the modeling process.

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I am trying to model intrinsic stress of some thin film heterostructures. As I am not a modeler but an experimentalist/processor by trade, I would prefer to minimize the amount of time I spend banging my head against the wall trying to find out if this software is appropriate. So, my question is whether COMSOL is appropriate for this. I note that they include thermal expansion coefficient in the materials database, but I did not see lattice parameters/crystal structures etc. If so, I also need to know if it is possible to include model amorphous materials? I suppose if not I can manually alter some of the parameters slightly to force the model to agree with the raman stress measurements.

Thanks.
 
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Comsol is essentially a continuum mechanics based FE software package, and limitations of what you can do by modeling a material as a continuum apply. So stresses arising from temperature changes (even in a complex heterogeneous microstructure) as long as modeled as a continuum are fairly easy to extract, but the intrinsic part is more difficult. I suppose if you can "squeeze" your mechanisms responsible for the intrinsic part to a continuum modeling envelope it'll work great, but there are no means to directly model lattices or microstructures (naturally can create complex geometric structures and place anisotropic properties on them, if this suffices)[or model the underlying mechanisms in a "coupled multiphysics framework" which give rise to intrinsic residual stresses]. With respect to FE based means Comsol is in my mind one of the better tools for this since it has very few limitations (as long as stay within FEM & continuum of sorts) and can be easily extended. The amorphous point follows the same limitations, if your material can be said to obey a continuum law of some sort it'll work.
 
hi

i'am start using consol to modeling heterostructures thin films (BST deposited ba sol-gel method). i have problem with modeling structures in 3d. do you have samthing pdf with examples or tutorials. pleas contact with me.
 
Do you have access to the official documentation? The "Model Library" docs are a big help in getting started. The official website contains a model library as well.
 
Unfortunately I don't have access to the official documentation yet
 
...you could perhaps inquire about the tutorials & models that are presented at the official site, select one which would "match" your problem to get you going. Or then use the model library that comes with the installation, those are a big help in trying to understand Comsol.
 

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