Concentrated sulfuric acid (18.4 molar) has a density of 11.84 g/ml

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The discussion revolves around calculating the molality of a 5.20 molar sulfuric acid solution, starting from its concentrated form (18.4 molar) and considering its density. Participants explore the necessary steps to derive molality, including finding the mass of the solvent and using density in calculations.

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  • One participant notes the need to calculate moles of solute per kilogram of solvent and expresses uncertainty about the starting point.
  • Another participant suggests beginning with 1L of solution to calculate the number of moles of sulfuric acid and the mass of the solvent by subtracting the mass of sulfuric acid from the mass of the solution.
  • Further requests for clarification indicate confusion about how to find the mass of the solvent using density.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of understanding molecular weight and its determination from the periodic table as a necessary step in solving the problem.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to calculating molality but express varying levels of understanding regarding the steps involved, particularly in finding the mass of the solvent and using density effectively. The discussion remains unresolved as participants seek further clarification.

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Participants have not yet established a clear method for calculating the mass of the solvent from the given density, and there are unresolved steps in the calculation process.

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Concentrated sulfuric acid (18.4 molar) has a density of 11.84 g per ml
dilution with water to 5.20 molar, density of 1.38 g per ml
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What is the molality of the 5.20 molar H2SO4 solution?

well I am not exactly sure where to start, but i know that i need to find moles of solute/kg of solvent. i think i should start with grams in one liter and use that to find the number of grams or moles of solution, but other than that i am pretty lost.

where am i wrong and what's next?
 
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Start with 1L of solution, calculate number of moles of sulfuric acid (easy part), mass of solvent (not that hard - start with mass of solution, subtract mass of sulfuric acid) and you are ready to calculate molality.
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can someone give me a lil more help, i understand what borek is saying, but how do i find the mass of the solvent, and what method do i use when given the density
 
drowningfish134 said:
can someone give me a lil more help, i understand what borek is saying, but how do i find the mass of the solvent, and what method do i use when given the density

Do you recall the units for molecular weight and how to determine that using information in the periodic table? You'll need that to help you solve the problem.
 

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