Concentration of ions in a reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the concentration of ions in a chemical reaction, particularly how to determine this concentration before and after a reaction. Participants explore the implications of balanced equations and net ionic equations in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about finding the concentration of ions in a reaction and asks for general guidelines, mentioning the importance of a balanced equation and net ionic equation.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "the concentration of ions in a reaction," suggesting that the concentration may refer to the solution after a reaction and noting that the number of ions may not remain constant.
  • A third participant agrees that the number of ions can change during a reaction, emphasizing that while ions may appear to "disappear," they are simply transformed into different forms, and the total number of atoms remains unchanged.
  • A later reply acknowledges the assistance received and indicates that the original poster feels they have gained clarity on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the number of ions can change during a reaction, but there is some concern about how this concept is communicated, particularly regarding mass conservation. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants seek clarity on specific examples and applications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the types of reactions being considered and the definitions of terms like "concentration of ions." Specific examples were requested but not provided.

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Alright guys, I am a little bit confused on how to find the concentration of ions in a reaction. In a solution, it is relatively easy.

Are the number of ions in the beginning the same they are in the end?

Please give me some general guidelines: i know to begin with a balanced equation , then a net ioc equation...but how does the net ionic equation help me??

Thank you so much, I will further update this question...so I can't specifically put my questions into words!

Any help appreciated, thank you so much.
 
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What do you mean by "the concentration of ions in a reaction"? Do you mean that you need to find the concentration of a solution after a reaction?

Trooper100 said:
Are the number of ions in the beginning the same they are in the end?

Not necessarily. Ions may be involved in many reactions where gases, precipitates, other ions etc. are formed, so the number of ions after a reaction will not generally be the same as before the reaction.

Could you provide a specific example of what you are trying to do?
 
danago said:
Not necessarily. Ions may be involved in many reactions where gases, precipitates, other ions etc. are formed, so the number of ions after a reaction will not generally be the same as before the reaction.

I believe this is a dangerous wording (even if correct), as it may be read by someone that mass conservation is violated. And knowing students if something can be understood incorrectly, it will be.

Heck, even if something is worded in a way that can't be understood incorrectly, it will, against all odds.

Number of ions can change, but those that have "disappeared" are still there, just in different form. Number of atoms of an element (in all oxidation states) have not changed.
 
Ok...thanks for the help anyway. I think I got it, thank you everyone.
 

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