Concepts of work and kinetic energy

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of work and kinetic energy in the context of a car accelerating up a hill. The problem involves calculating the change in kinetic energy and the work done by the motor, given specific parameters such as mass, height, and frictional force.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants explore the relationship between work and kinetic energy, questioning the calculations and assumptions regarding the work done by friction. Some participants express uncertainty about the signs associated with work done by friction and its impact on kinetic energy.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. There is an exploration of the definitions of work in relation to energy transfer, particularly concerning friction's role. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, especially regarding the sign convention for work.

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Participants note confusion regarding the stated work done by friction and its implications for energy transfer within the system. There is an emphasis on understanding when work is considered positive or negative based on the direction of forces and motion.

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Homework Statement


A car with a mass of 1000kg is at rest at the base of a hill. It accelerates up the incline reaching a speed of 20m/s at a height of 100m.The work done by the frictional force is 450,000N.
a)Calculate the change in kinetic energy of the car.
b)Calculate the work done by the motor of the car.


Homework Equations


[tex]\Delta[/tex]K=1/2mv2f-1/2mv2i=10,000NM
Wf=450,000NM
Wg=-(mgyf-mgyi)=-980,000NM



The Attempt at a Solution

The change in kinetic energy is equal to the Wnet so i set 450,000-980,000+Wm=10,000 and solved for Wm and got 540,000NM. I think my instructor was doing something different in class so I am not sure if this is correct...
 
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Your calculation of the KE of the car is very, very low. What key on the calculator did you forget to press?

And then, does friction do positive work or negative work on the car?
 
Well i have inital velocity at zero so the change in kinetic energy is equal to .5*1000*400... this is what i read in my lab book that the change in kinetic energy is equal to the Wnet. The problem states that the work done by frictional force is equal to 450,000N so i would assume it does positive because the work is positive.
 
Yes, KE is .5*1000*400 which is a bit more than 10,000 J.

Two ways to see that the work done by friction here is negative:
1) does the friction serve to increase KE or decrease KE? Is friction adding energy to the car or taking away energy from the car?
2) Is the direction of the frictional force on the car the same direction as the motion of the car, or the opposite direction ? Whenever the force vector and displacement vector are in opposite directions, negative work is being done by the force.
 
So is it safe to say that any force that reduces kinetic energy is doing negative work while any force that increases kinetic energy is doing positive work?
 
And why in the problem does it say that work due to the force of friction is 450,000NM instead of -450,000NM. That is a little confusing.
 
pb23me said:
And why in the problem does it say that work due to the force of friction is 450,000NM instead of -450,000NM. That is a little confusing.

This is one of the things you will need to be able to recognize: when is work being done BY a system, or when work is being done ON a system. Work is the transfer of energy. Does friction transfer energy OUT of the system (here, the car is the system), or IN? The quantity of work is given, you need to be able to determine whether to add or subtract it.

And to your other question, if there are multiple forces at work, then you need to be careful. But it is true that if a force acts to reduce KE, then it is negative work. A more generally true statement is that "negative work will reduce the mechanical energy of a system" which is the total of PE + KE.
 

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