Conceptual question with first-order linear PDEs.

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The discussion revolves around a conceptual question regarding the homogeneous partial differential equation (PDE) of the form ##au_x + bu_y + cu = 0##. Participants are exploring the implications of the solution being zero at a single point in the plane, specifically questioning the uniqueness of such a scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to interpret the condition that the solution is zero at one point, suggesting that it could imply the solution is zero everywhere else. Others question this interpretation, proposing that the solution could potentially be zero at multiple points.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of the directional derivative of the function at points where it is zero, considering how this affects the values of the solution along lines defined by the direction of the vector ##a\mathbf{i} + b\mathbf{j}##.
  • There is also a suggestion that the line of interest may be perpendicular to the direction vector, prompting further exploration of the geometric implications of the PDE.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the assumptions underlying the original problem statement. There is no explicit consensus yet, as different interpretations and implications are being explored regarding the behavior of the solution in relation to the PDE.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, particularly the implications of the solution being zero at specific points and the potential need for additional conditions to define the solution's behavior along characteristic lines.

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Homework Statement


"Show that a solution of the homogeneous PDE ##au_x+bu_y+cu=0## cannot be zero at one, and only one point in the plane."

My interpretation of this is that ##u(x,y)## is zero everywhere on the plane except on that point ##(x_0,y_0)##.

Homework Equations


##w=bx-ay##
##z=y##

##x=\frac{1}{b}(w+az)##
##y=z##

The Attempt at a Solution


##v(w,z)=u(\frac{1}{b}(w+az),z)##
##v_z(w,z)=\frac{a}{b}u_x+u_y##
##bv_z(w,z)=au_x+bu_y##
##bv_z+cv=0## or ##v_z+\frac{b}{c}v=0##

I solve this and come up with the solution: ##v(w,z)=e^{-\frac{b}{c}v}g(w)## or:

##u(x,y)=e^{-\frac{b}{c}y}⋅g(bx-ay)##

Then I set ##u(x,y)=0## and now I have ##g(bx_0-ay_0)=0## since ##e^{-\frac{b}{c}y}≠0,∀y∈ℝ##. My thinking is that the solution curve is never zero when it intersects the characteristic line. And that intersection is the point at which ##u(x,y)≠0##. But I'm not very sure that my thinking is correct; that's like the only point I can think of where ##u(x,y)## is non-zero.

It's like, in general, I need to define a specific side condition such that the solution intersects each characteristic line exactly once. So I guess the solution is only defined on the characteristic line and is zero everywhere else? And if it is tangent to one of those lines, or is parallel to them, there is either no solution or infinitely many? Help me understand this.

*There's also a part two to this problem, but I don't want to post it until the first part is solved.*
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
"Show that a solution of the homogeneous PDE ##au_x+bu_y+cu=0## cannot be zero at one, and only one point in the plane."

My interpretation of this is that ##u(x,y)## is zero everywhere on the plane except on that point ##(x_0,y_0)##.
I don't see that this necessarily follows. Couldn't u(x, y) be zero at, say, two or three points?
 
The equation basically says that the directional derivative of ##u(x,y)## to the direction of vector ##a\mathbf{i} + b\mathbf{j}## is equal to ##cu(x,y)##. If ##u(x,y)=0## at some point, what can you say about the values of ##u## on a line passing through that point and having direction given by ##a\mathbf{i} + b\mathbf{j}## ?
 
hilbert2 said:
The equation basically says that the directional derivative of ##u(x,y)## to the direction of vector ##a\mathbf{i} + b\mathbf{j}## is equal to ##cu(x,y)##. If ##u(x,y)=0## at some point, what can you say about the values of ##u## on a line passing through that point and having direction given by ##a\mathbf{i} + b\mathbf{j}## ?

I'm guessing that the line is perpendicular to ##a\mathbf{i} + b\mathbf{j}##?
 

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