Conditional Probability Formula

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditional probability formula, specifically the expression P(A/B) = P(A∩B)/P(B). Participants explore the validity of this formula for both dependent and independent events, seeking intuition and formal proofs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the conditional probability formula for independent events, seeking intuition or proof.
  • Another participant argues that understanding dependent events encompasses independent events as a subset, suggesting that questioning the correctness of the definition is meaningless.
  • A third participant reiterates the formula and provides a reasoning approach, emphasizing the relationship between the events when one occurs before the other.
  • A later reply highlights that for independent events, the occurrence of one does not affect the probability of the other, leading to the conclusion that P(A|B) = P(A) when B has a non-zero probability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of proving the formula's correctness for independent events, with some emphasizing the definition's sufficiency while others seek deeper understanding. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the need for intuition or proof in this context.

Contextual Notes

Some participants rely on definitions and mathematical notation without fully addressing the implications of independence on the conditional probability formula. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of these assumptions.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in probability theory, particularly those exploring the concepts of conditional probability, independence, and the underlying mathematical definitions.

Avichal
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P(A/B) is defined to be P(A∩B)/P(B)

Why is this true?
When A and B are dependent events, I can understand why this is correct. It is clear when you see the venn diagram.
But for independent events, why is the formula correct? Any intuition or formal proof?
 
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"Dependent events" always considers all cases, so independent events are a subset of those. If you understand the general case, using it in a special case should be no problem.
Anyway, it is a definition, asking about "correct or not" is meaningless.
 
Avichal said:
P(A/B) is defined to be P(A∩B)/P(B)

Why is this true?
When A and B are dependent events, I can understand why this is correct. It is clear when you see the venn diagram.
But for independent events, why is the formula correct? Any intuition or formal proof?

You can see this as follows:

##P(A \cap B) = P(B)P(A/B)##

Think about B happening "first".

If A and B both happen, then B must happen, then A must happen (given B has happened).

If A and B are independent, then ##P(A/B) = P(A); \ P(A \cap B) = P(A)P(B)## and the equation holds.
 
Hey Avichal.

The easiest way to convince yourself of it being true is to remember that if two events are independent, then one event happening will not in any way change the probability of another happening and vice-versa.

In mathematical notation this is defined as P(A|B) = P(A) given that B is a valid event (with a non-zero probability). If we use the definition of conditional probability along with this constraint we get:

P(A|B) = P(A and B)/P(B) = P(A) which implies
P(A and B) = P(A)*P(B) after multiplying both sides by P(B).
 

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