Conductivity from path integral and Kubo formlism

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of conductivity using the Kubo formalism and path integral methods in the context of condensed matter physics. Participants explore the implications of setting the external gauge field \( A \) to zero, the nature of \( A \) (quantum vs classical), and the treatment of the effective action in the path integral formulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of setting \( A=0 \) when calculating the current-current correlation, suggesting that the current may depend on \( A \).
  • Another participant explains that setting \( A=0 \) is a consequence of using linear response theory, which implies that if \( K \) depends on \( A \), the current would not be linear in \( A \).
  • There is a discussion about whether \( A \) is treated as a classical external source or if it can also represent quantum mechanical responses, with some suggesting that \( A \) is classical for low momentum values.
  • A participant describes their effective action as complex and non-local but quadratic in terms of \( A \) and \( \psi \), and they express uncertainty about integrating over \( A \) and \( \psi \) while setting \( A=0 \).
  • Another participant notes that the \( A \) fields in the conductivity formula are due to external sources and suggests a separation between classical and quantum mechanical parts of the field.
  • There is mention of a potential renormalization procedure by shifting the boundary between classical and quantum modes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the gauge field \( A \), particularly regarding its classification as classical or quantum and the implications of setting it to zero. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effective action's complexity and non-locality may affect the integration process, and there are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the treatment of \( A \) and its implications for the path integral.

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Hi,

In calculating the conductivity from the Kubo method

<br /> j_{\mu}=\int dx&#039; K_{\mu \nu} (x,x&#039;) A^{\nu}(x&#039;)<br />

in literature ( e.g. in Condensed Matter Field Theory by Altland and Simons) you find that

<br /> K_{\mu \nu}(x,x&#039;)= Z^{-1} \frac{\delta^2}{\delta A_{\mu}(x) \delta A_{nu}(x&#039;)} Z[A] |_{A=0}<br />

Now, I have the following questions:

1-Why do I need to put A=0? I guess we take the derivatives to find current-current correlation but current can depend on A itself, so why do we put it to zero?

2- Is this A quantum or the classical (background)?

3-If I have a Z with an effective action of the form:

<br /> Z=\int D[A] D[\psi] \exp{(-S_E[A,\psi])}<br /> [/itex] <br /> <br /> Then what does it mean to put A=0? At what stage should I put A=0. Do I kill the path integral over A? <br /> <br /> Thank a lot in advance!
 
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1. Is a consequence of using linear response in contrast to non-linear response. If K would itself depend on A, then j wouldn't be linear in A anymore.
2. You can expand Z in powers of hbar. So in principle you can get not only the quantum mechanical response but also the classical.
However, A is treated by definition as a classical external source. This may only be true for A with sufficiently low k values. This may also answer partially your question 3.
 
Thanks a lot, DrDU! I am just not sure if I understood exactly what you meant for (2)

DrDu said:
2. You can expand Z in powers of hbar. So in principle you can get not only the quantum mechanical response but also the classical.
However, A is treated by definition as a classical external source. This may only be true for A with sufficiently low k values. This may also answer partially your question 3.

My effective action is complex and non local but fortunately remains quadratic in terms of A and \psi or combination of these two. Therefore I can technically integrate over both A and \psi in the path integral. So after differentiating two times in terms of \delta^2 / \delta A(x)\delta A(x&#039;) and setting A=0 I arrive at

<br /> K_{\mu \nu}(x,x&#039;)= Z^{-1}\int D[A] D[\psi] f[\psi;x,x&#039;] \exp{(-S_E[A,\psi])}<br /> [/itex]<br /> <br /> Assuming I can integrate it classically, as if it is just an average over free energy instead of effective action. The A is not background and it is my gauge field. Would that give me a correct result? <br /> <br /> I would appreciate it if you could tell me that or explain your last comment with more details.<br /> <br /> Thank you!
 
I am not a specialist in path integrals so I don't know whether I can help you too much.
But the A's in the formula for Conductivity are due to external sources. In the case of longitudinal response you could alternatively assume an external classical charge distribution. So you somehow have to split the field into a part which you want to describe classically and a quantum mechnanical part which you integrate over in your path integral.
You could also try to shift the boundary between the classical and qm modes. This leads to a kind of renormalization procedure.
The following article may be interesting, although it uses the traditional formulation and not path integrals:
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1080/00018736100101281
 
DrDu said:
I am not...

Thanks, DrDu! I appreciate your help.
 

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