Conformal time closed Friedmann universe

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The discussion revolves around a closed Friedmann universe characterized by a perfect fluid with a specific equation of state, p=wρc². The original poster seeks to demonstrate that a transformed variable y=a^(1+3w)/2 follows a simple harmonic equation in terms of conformal time τ, and to argue that all closed Friedmann models with the same equation of state share the same conformal lifetime.

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  • Participants suggest starting with the Friedmann equations and transforming time derivatives to conformal time derivatives. There are discussions about the relevance of the curvature term and the assumptions made regarding the evolution of a(t). Some participants express confusion about the equations and substitutions being used.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various participants attempting to clarify the equations and their implications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to retain the curvature term and the structure of the equations, but there is no clear consensus on the approach to take.

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Homework Statement


A closed Friedmann universe contains a single perfect fluid with an equation of state of the form p=w\rho c^2. Transforming variables to conformal time \tau using dt=a(t)d\tau, show that the variable y=a^{(1+3w)/2} is described by a simple harmonic equation as a function of \tau. Hence argue that all closed Friedmann models with a given equation of state have the same conformal lifetime.


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Please give me a starter. I haven't got a clue...
 
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You'll want to start by writing down the Friedmann equations with curvature term +1, changing time derivatives to conformal time derivatives and substitute your energy/pressure relation. Do all this busy work and then think about the problem again.
 
Dick said:
You'll want to start by writing down the Friedmann equations with curvature term +1, changing time derivatives to conformal time derivatives and substitute your energy/pressure relation. Do all this busy work and then think about the problem again.

So first the Friedmann eq. is

\left(\frac{\dot{a}}{a_0}\right)^2=H^2_0 \Omega_{0w} \left(\frac{a_0}{a}\right)^{1+3w}

and changing the time derivative like

\frac{da}{dt}=\frac{1}{a}\frac{da}{d\tau}

giving

\left(\frac{da}{d\tau}\right)^2=a^2a_0^2H_0^2\Omega_{0w}\left(\frac{a_0}{a}\right)^{1+3w}=H_0^2\Omega_{0w}a^{1-3w}a_0^{3+3w}=H_0^2\Omega_{0w}a^{1-3p/\rho c^2}a_0^{3+3p/\rho c^2}.

I still don't get it.
 
I don't get it either. That doesn't look like the first Friedmann equation to me. Where's rho? Where's the curvature term? You've already done a bunch of substitutions.
 
I have used the Friedmann equation

\left(\frac{\dot{a}}{a_0}\right)^2 - \frac{8\pi}{3}G\rho\left(\frac{a}{a_0}\right)^2 = H_0^2\left(1-\frac{\rho_0}{\rho_{0c}}\right) = H_0^2(1-\Omega_0) = -\frac{Kc^2}{a_0^2}

and

\rho a^{3(1+w)} = const. = \rho_{0w}a_0^{3(1+w)}

to get

\left(\frac{\dot{a}}{a_0}\right)^2=H^2_0 \left[\Omega_{0w} \left(\frac{a_0}{a}\right)^{1+3w} + (1-\Omega_{0w}) \right]

Then, for a curved model, the last term is negligible so

\left(\frac{\dot{a}}{a_0}\right)^2=H^2_0 \Omega_{0w} \left(\frac{a_0}{a}\right)^{1+3w}

This is all from Coles Cosmology.
 
You are assuming the evolution is a power law in a(t) and it's not. The curvature term is not negligible. You are going to want to find an equation of the form b'=Kb where ' denotes the derivative wrt conformal time.
 
Well, then I'm back to zero and still stuck.
 
Ok, try this. Go back to the REAL Friedmann equation for H^2. We know this is a closed universe so it will reach a point of maximum expansion and then collapse. So pick t_0 to be the time of maximum expansion, so H_0=0, may as well take a_0=1 to make a choice of scale. Now put in your dependence of rho on and fix the constants at t_0. Now what does the equation look like?
 
Well. I actually worked through this in detail for practice. It does work. Substitute p=w*rho. Solve the H^2 eqn for rho and substitute it into the a'' one. Express the t derivatives in terms of conformal derivatives. Finally substitute y^(2/(3*w+1)) for a. You will get a y'' term, a (y')^2 term and a y^2 term. If you have actually managed to do all of the math correctly (it took me a few times), you will find the (y')^2 terms magically cancel (hence the choice of exponent). The remaining equation looks like a harmonic oscillator. Yahooo!
 
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Uhm, what equations are H^2 and a''?
 
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The H^2 equation is the one you have been working with, just involving rho. The a'' equation is the other Friedmann equation also involving the pressure and second derivative of the scale factor. If you substitute for the pressure in terms of rho you can combine them and eliminate the rho. Then work with that equation. Do NOT discard the curvature term.
 
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And where did you get the a'' eq.?
 

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