Confused about E-Z Isomerism Q9) - Butane

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around E-Z isomerism in butane, specifically addressing questions related to identifying isomers and understanding the criteria for E-Z classification. Participants explore the concepts of isomerism, naming conventions, and the structural representation of compounds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about whether all options in Q9 could represent E-Z isomers.
  • Others inquire about the understanding of E-Z isomerism and its application to specific compounds.
  • A participant explains that a compound is a Z-isomer if the groups are on the same side and an E-isomer if they are on opposite sides.
  • There are suggestions to draw E-Z isomers of the compound in question to visualize differences.
  • One participant asserts that a specific compound does not show E-Z isomerism due to identical priorities of substituents.
  • Another participant identifies a compound as showing E-Z isomerism and seeks confirmation on the correctness of their identification.
  • There are discussions about how to draw the structures of other compounds mentioned in the questions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the answers to the questions posed, with multiple competing views on which compounds exhibit E-Z isomerism and how to approach the drawing of isomers.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention limitations in their chemistry curriculum, suggesting a lack of depth in the material covered regarding E-Z isomerism.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying organic chemistry, particularly those learning about isomerism and structural representation of compounds.

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I know what E-Z isomerism is, but I'm confused about Q9), couldn't the answer just be all of them?

FOr 10, I know its but- since there are 4 carbons in the chain but how do I know which of the options are wrong?

Thanks
 
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For 9 What do you understand by E / Z isomerism?

For 10 look into priorities for naming
 
sjb-2812 said:
For 9 What do you understand by E / Z isomerism?

For 10 look into priorities for naming

A compound is a z-isomer if the groups are on the same side, and an e-isomer if the groups are on different sides, like so:

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I tried look around but it gets too complicated, I do AS Chemistry which doesn't cover that much material..

Thanks for the reply
 
OK, does this compound show E / Z isomerism?

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Other way of thinking (which basically boils down to the same thing sjb already suggests) - try to draw E-Z isomers of the compound A (Q9). Are they really different?
 
sjb-2812 said:
OK, does this compound show E / Z isomerism?

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Nope! Since the Cl and Cl have the same priority (and same goes for the H atoms)
 
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The one on the left is B - it does show E-Z isomerism so B is the answer (right?).

Just out of curiosity, the one on the right is supposed to represent D, is it correct? Also how would I draw A and C?

Cheers
 
influx said:
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The one on the left is B - it does show E-Z isomerism so B is the answer (right?).

Just out of curiosity, the one on the right is supposed to represent D, is it correct? Also how would I draw A and C?

Cheers

Looks good to me :)

You'd draw A and C in a similar fashion, remembering that Carbon has a valence of 4 and Hydrogen 1. Each line represents a bond.
 
sjb-2812 said:
Looks good to me :)

You'd draw A and C in a similar fashion, remembering that Carbon has a valence of 4 and Hydrogen 1. Each line represents a bond.

Thanks :)
 

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