Confused (supposedly easy chem question: volume, density)

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The discussion revolves around a chemistry problem involving the estimation of the density of a potassium nucleus based on its atomic properties. Participants explore the calculations related to the volume and density of both the atom and its nucleus, addressing potential errors in the reasoning and assumptions made during the problem-solving process.

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  • One participant presents a calculation to estimate the density of a potassium nucleus, detailing the conversion of units and the formulas used.
  • Another participant points out that the product of the supposed density and the volume of the nucleus exceeds the total mass of the atom, suggesting an inconsistency in the calculations.
  • A third participant challenges the comparison of volume and mass, arguing that it is illogical to claim one is larger than the other without proper context.
  • A later reply clarifies that the density multiplied by the volume should yield mass, reinforcing the previous concern about the calculations.
  • Another participant argues that the density of potassium metal cannot be assumed to equal the density of a potassium atom due to packing issues, suggesting an alternative approach by converting atomic mass units to grams for the calculation.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the initial calculations and the assumptions made about density. Multiple competing views remain on how to approach the problem and the implications of the calculations presented.

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Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions regarding density and packing, as well as the potential for errors in unit conversions and mathematical steps. These aspects remain unresolved within the discussion.

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This doesn't seem like it should be too hard, but I'm stuck... Am i making a stupid mistake somewhere?

1. The density of potassium metal is 0.89 g/cm3. Potassium's atomic radius is 231 pm. Assuming that r nuc = 10^-4 x r atom, estimate the density of an essentially spherical 39K nucleus.


Homework Equations


Volume of a sphere


The Attempt at a Solution


Convert pm to cm: 231 pm = 2.31E-8 cm

Find number of grams in the whole atom by finding the volume of the atom and mulitplying it by the density: (4/3)(pi)(2.31E-8)^3 * .89 = 4.5953E-23 g

Radius of nucleus = 1E-4 * 2.31E-8 cm = 2.31E-12 cm

Volume of nucleus = (4/3)(pi)((2.31E-12)^3) = 5.1632666E-35

Find density by: 4.5953E-23/5.1632666E-35 = 8.899E11 g/cm^3

Unfortunately, that doesn't match with the answer given: The answer given is 1.26E12 g/cm^3
Thanks for any help.
 
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there is something wrong.

the "answer" * the volume of nucleus is larger than the total mass of the atom. this can't be.
 
lewdtenant said:
there is something wrong.

the "answer" * the volume of nucleus is larger than the total mass of the atom. this can't be.

That makes no sense! "Volume" and "mass" are not comparable. It makes no sense to say one is larger than the other!
 
I'm sorry, let me clarify. the supposed answer (which is a density) multiplied by the volume of nucleus is larger than the total mass of the atom.

density times volume gives mass.
 
Spheres cannot be packed together w/o leaving empty space, so it's wrong to assume the density of potassium metal is equal to the density of a potassium atom. To get the mass of a 39K atom, just convert 39 amu to grams.
 

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