Confusion about a capacitor with 2 different dielectrics

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The problem involves a parallel-plate capacitor filled with two slabs of dielectric materials, each with different dielectric constants (K1 and K2) and equal thickness. The goal is to determine the capacitance of this configuration.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the capacitor and the arrangement of the dielectric slabs. Some suggest using line integrals to express voltage in terms of the electric field, while others question the applicability of certain equations to the parallel-plate scenario.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem. There are differing opinions on the correct method to apply, and some participants are exploring the implications of the geometric arrangement of the dielectrics.

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There is a note regarding the need for clarity in the problem statement about the orientation of the dielectric slabs, which may affect the interpretation of the problem.

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1. The problem statement, all variables, and given/known data
A parallel-plate capacitor has the space between the plates filled with to slabs of dielectric, one with constant K1, & one constant K2. each slab has thickness d⁄2, where d is plate separation, show the capacitance is?
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Homework Equations


C=Q/V
E=Q/(ε0.A)
mrqBvc

V=Q/(4πε0.r)

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I consider the conductor as 2 different conductors with different slabs of the dielectric. I think that is not a bad idea to find the answer, but my result is different from the answer, maybe it is wrong somewhere. Can you guys help me? Here is my solution.
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Hello. Welcome to PF!

The mistake is using the equation ##V = \large \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0 r}##. This is not applicable to parallel plates.
 
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You can express V as a line integral over the E field. Try using: $$V=\int_0^d E(z)dz=\int_0^{\frac {d} {2}} E_1(z)dz +\int_{\frac {d} {2}}^{d} E_2(z)dz $$where ##E=\frac {\sigma} {K\epsilon_0}##, d is plate separation and ##\sigma## is the charge density.

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Hi Hieu,

Your problem statement should be more specific about the geometric arrangement of the dielectric slabs between the plates. Do they divide the space horizontally or vertically? Given the expected answer we can deduce that the arrangement is two horizontal slabs dividing the space vertically (case B below), but it might be not so obvious to a new student approaching this type of problem for the first time.
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Fred Wright said:
You can express V as a line integral...

There is a much easier way for an old duffer like me that involves knowing how to calculate the equivalent capacitance for two capacitors in series or parallel.
 
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