Confusion about integration constant

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration constant in the context of solving a differential equation (DE). Participants explore the implications of manipulating the equation and how it affects the determination of the constant when applying initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two methods for solving a DE, leading to different values for the integration constant c: 8/3 and 8.
  • Another participant points out that the second method was missing a factor of 3 as the coefficient of c, suggesting a potential error in the manipulation of the equation.
  • The first participant acknowledges the confusion regarding the constant and questions when it is appropriate to combine constants with c.
  • A later reply asserts that there is no difference between the two solutions presented, implying that both methods should yield consistent results despite the differing forms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the integration constant and whether the two methods yield equivalent results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to combining constants with c.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the manipulation of constants in the context of the differential equation, and participants have not reached a consensus on the implications of their calculations.

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After solving a DE I ended up with (y3)/(3x3) + ln(x) = c and initial conditions y(1) = 2.

If I just plug in straight away I get (23) / (3(13)) + ln(1) = c which is c = 8/3 but if I multiply the equation by 3x3 first: (y^3) + (3x3)ln(x) = (3x3)c and the 3 goes into the c and solving for c I get 23 + 3(1)3ln(1) = (1)3c and c = 8 which is the right answer.

I can see why these answers are different but I don't think I understand the constant. If I don't combine other constants with c I get an incorrect answer? When can I/do I have to combine constants with c?
 
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malignant said:
After solving a DE I ended up with (y3)/(3x3) + ln(x) = c and initial conditions y(1) = 2.

If I just plug in straight away I get (23) / (3(13)) + ln(1) = c which is c = 8/3 but if I multiply the equation by 3x3 first: (y^3) + (3x3)ln(x) = (3x3)c and the 3 goes into the c and solving for c I get 23 + 3(1)3ln(1) = (1)3c and c = 8 which is the right answer.

I can see why these answers are different but I don't think I understand the constant. If I don't combine other constants with c I get an incorrect answer? When can I/do I have to combine constants with c?
When you did it by the second method, you were missing a factor of 3 as the coefficient of c.
 
Chestermiller said:
When you did it by the second method, you were missing a factor of 3 as the coefficient of c.

Oh, that was because I combined it with the c.
 
Solution 1: (y^3)/(3x^3) + ln(x) = 8/3

Solution 2: (y^3) + (3x^3)ln(x) = 8(x^3)

No difference!
 

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