Confusion about the definition of Uniform Continutiy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the definition of uniform continuity in mathematical analysis, specifically addressing the conditions under which a function is considered uniformly continuous. Participants explore the implications of the definition and express confusion regarding the relationship between delta and epsilon in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that a function is uniformly continuous if for every epsilon > 0, there exists a delta > 0 such that for all x and y in the domain, |x - y| < delta implies |f(x) - f(y)| < epsilon. They express confusion about how delta can apply to all x and y.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify that the definition means if one chooses |x - y| < delta, then the implication |f(x) - f(y)| < epsilon must hold, rather than suggesting that |x - y| < delta must be true for all x and y.
  • A different participant reiterates the confusion about the existence of a delta that applies universally to all x and y, emphasizing the need to carefully read the definition.
  • One participant points out that the implication structure of the definition is crucial, comparing it to a conditional statement that holds true under certain conditions rather than universally.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the definition of uniform continuity, with some agreeing on the need for careful reading of the implications, while others maintain confusion about the application of delta to all x and y. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the definition.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential misunderstandings related to the implications of the definition and the conditions under which delta and epsilon are applied. There is an emphasis on the importance of distinguishing between universal applicability and conditional implications.

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A function is uniformly continuous iff for every epsilon>0 there exists delta>0 such that for all x in the domain of f and for all y in the domain of f, |x-y|<delta =>|f(x)-f(y)|<epsilon. Here is what confuses me. How can there be a delta such that |x-y|<delta for ALL x and y. Since epsilon depends on delta, we can pick epsilon such that delta is small. Then we can surely pick x and y such x-y is bigger than delta.

For example, x^2 is uniformly continuous on [-5,5] because for epsilon>0, when delta=epsilon/10, |x^2-y^2|<|x+y||x-y|< or = 10|x-y|<10*delta=epsilon.

Right here delta=epsilon/10. The definition states that for ANY x,y in domain f, |x-y|<delta. If we pick x=5 and y=1 we have 4<epsilon/10 for any epsilon>0. But that is impossible since I can pick epsilon=1.

4<(1/10) is not true.
 
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hi torquerotates! :smile:

(have a delta: δ and an epsilon: ε :wink:)
torquerotates said:
A function is uniformly continuous iff for every epsilon>0 there exists delta>0 such that for all x in the domain of f and for all y in the domain of f, |x-y|<delta =>|f(x)-f(y)|<epsilon.

The definition states that for ANY x,y in domain f, |x-y|<delta.

no, it states that if you choose |x-y| < δ, then |x2 - y2| < ε :wink:

(so you have to choose |x-y| < 1/10)
 
torquerotates said:
for every epsilon>0 there exists delta>0 such that for all x in the domain of f and for all y in the domain of f, |x-y|<delta =>|f(x)-f(y)|<epsilon.

How can there be a delta such that |x-y|<delta for ALL x and y.
You should read the definition carefully. The delta should have the property that the implication "if |x-y|<delta then |f(x)-f(y)|<epsilon" holds for all x and y.
You are saying: the delta should have the property that "|x-y|<delta" holds for all x and y. That's a completely different property.

The implication "if it rains tomorrow, I will be wet" holds for all days. But surely it doesn't rain every day?
 
torquerotates said:
|x-y|<delta =>|f(x)-f(y)|<epsilon.
4<(1/10) is not true.

This line can be read

if |x-y| is less than delta then |f(x)-f(y)| is less than epsilon.
 

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