Confusion with Hailstone Collision Momentum Calculation

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving momentum calculations related to hailstone collisions with a glass window. The problem includes parameters such as the number of hailstones, their mass, speed, and the angle of impact, all within the context of elastic collisions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the reasoning behind using cosine instead of sine for the velocity component and questions the necessity of multiplying the momentum in the x direction by two. Other participants provide insights into trigonometric concepts and the rationale behind the momentum change calculation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying concepts related to trigonometry and momentum. Some guidance has been offered regarding the change in momentum and its implications for calculating force, although no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the problem.

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The discussion highlights potential gaps in understanding trigonometric functions and their application in physics, as well as the interpretation of momentum changes in elastic collisions. The original poster's confusion suggests a need for further exploration of these foundational concepts.

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Homework Statement


I'm working on a similar problem and someone else solved the problem (along with the steps). I looked at what they did but I'm really confused on 2 of the steps.

Here is the problem:

In a 30-s interval, 500 hailstones strike a glass window of area 0.60 m2 at an angle of 45o to the window surface. Each hailstone has a mass of 5.0 g (0.005 kg) and a speed of 8.0 m/s. If the collisions are elastic, find the average force.


The Attempt at a Solution



vx = v cos 45o (Why is it not sin 45?)

vx = (8.0 m/s)(0.707) = 5.66 m/s

px = m vx = (0.005 kg)(5.66 m/s) = 2.83 x 10 - 2 kg-m/s

I understand everything up to this next step. What I don't understand is why is the momentum in the x direction multipied by two?
px = 2 px = 5.66 x 10 - 2 kg-m/s

F = pxtot/t

F = (500)(5.66 x 10 - 2 kg-m/s)/30 s

F = 0.943 kg-m/s2

F = 0.943 N
 
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kiwikahuna said:
vx = v cos 45o (Why is it not sin 45?)

Sin(45) = Cos(45).

A substantial understanding of trig is going to be crucial throughout your physics course(s). Review the unit circle, if you're having trouble with this concept.
 
OH, I see! But what is the reason for multiplying Px two times?
 
kiwikahuna said:
OH, I see! But what is the reason for multiplying Px two times?
Because what you really need in order to calculate the force is the change in momentum of each hailstone. Realize that the initial and final values for Px have opposite signs, since they are in opposite directions. If Pxi = Px and Pxf = -Px, then [itex]\Delta Px = (-Px) - (Px) = -2Px[/itex]. Make sense?
 
perfect sense. thank you!
 

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