Connection 1-forms to Christoffel symbols

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between connection 1-forms and Christoffel symbols in the context of a specific metric defined in spherical coordinates. Participants explore the calculations of Christoffel symbols derived from connection 1-forms, addressing dimensional analysis and the implications of using an orthonormal basis.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents calculations showing that certain Christoffel symbols vanish due to properties of connection 1-forms and metric compatibility.
  • Another participant questions the appearance of a Christoffel symbol with a radius term in the denominator, suggesting it is unusual.
  • Some participants propose that the dimensionality of the Christoffel symbols must be inversely proportional to the physical dimensions of the corresponding basis vectors, leading to the conclusion that they should scale with ##1/r##.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between Christoffel symbols in an orthonormal basis versus a holonomic basis.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the dimensional analysis and its implications for the scaling of Christoffel symbols.
  • Another participant acknowledges the argument regarding dimensional analysis and expresses understanding.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the dimensional analysis and the unusual appearance of the radius in the Christoffel symbols. There is no consensus on whether the calculations presented are correct or if an error exists.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the choice of basis and the implications of dimensionality, which may not be universally applicable without further clarification.

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Let the metric be defined as ##ds^2=dr^2+r^2d\theta^2+r^2\sin^2\theta d\phi^2##

Through some calculations, we then see that our connection one forms are ##\omega_{12} = -d \theta## and ##\omega_{21}= d\theta##, ##\omega_{13} = -sin\theta d \phi## and ##\omega_{31} = sin\theta d\phi## ##\omega_{23}=cos\theta d\phi## and ##\omega_{32} = -cos\theta d\phi## (for work, look at: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...ctor-in-spherical-coords.903231/#post-5687781)

We can then use the fact that ##\omega^i_j = \Gamma^i_{jk} \sigma^k## to compute the Christoffel symbols.
Notice that if ##i = j## all the Christoffel symbols will vanish due to ##\omega^i_i = 0## thus, right off the bat we know that ##\Gamma^1_{11} = \Gamma^1_{12} = \Gamma^1_{13} = \Gamma^2_{21} = \Gamma^2_{22} = \Gamma^2_{23} = \Gamma^3_{31} = \Gamma^3_{32} = \Gamma^3_{33} = 0##

With metric compabitibility, we know that ##\Gamma^i_{jk} = -\Gamma^i_{kj}## thus... ## \Gamma^1_{21} = \Gamma^1_{31} = \Gamma^2_{12} = \Gamma^2_{32} = \Gamma^3_{13} = \Gamma^3_{23} = 0##

So onto the ones we can calculate, ##\omega^1_2 = -d \theta = \Gamma^1_{21} \sigma^1 + \Gamma^1_{22} \sigma^2 + \Gamma^1_{23} \sigma^3 = 0 + \Gamma^1_{22} r d\theta + \Gamma^1_{23} r\sin\theta d\phi##

The only way for this equation to be true is for##\Gamma^1_{22} = \frac{-1}{r} ## and ##\Gamma^1_{23} = 0 ## We then can set ##\Gamma^1_{32} = 0 ##

Next, ##\omega^1_3 = -sin\theta d \phi = \Gamma^1_{31} \sigma^1 + \Gamma^1_{32} \sigma^2 + \Gamma^1_{33} \sigma^3 = 0 + 0 + \Gamma^1_{33} r\sin\theta d\phi## therefore, we see that ##\Gamma^1_{33} = \frac{-1}{r}##Next, ##\omega^2_3 = cos\theta d\phi = \Gamma^2_{31} \sigma^1 + \Gamma^2_{32} \sigma^2 + \Gamma^2_{33} \sigma^3 = \Gamma^2_{31} dr + \Gamma^2_{33} r\sin\theta d\phi## To make this true, we then see that ##\Gamma^2_{31} = 0 ## and ##\Gamma^2_{33} = \frac{\cos\theta}{r\sin\theta} = \frac{\cot\theta}{r} ##

Which raises a red flag! I've never see a Christoffel symbol where we have that r in the denominator for ##\Gamma^{\theta}_{\phi \phi}## so if anyone can point out my error, i'd appreciate it.
 
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Could it be that I'm so use to seeing people set r=const.=1 that I usually do not see the r?
 
Since your connection one-form is dimensionless (basically as a consequence of using an orthonormal basis), the physical dimension of your Christoffel symbols must be the inverse of the physical dimension of the corresponding ##\sigma^i##. For both ##\sigma^2## and ##\sigma^3##, the physical dimension is ##\mathsf L## and hence the corresponding Christoffel symbols must have physical dimension ##\mathsf L^{-1}##. This means the Christoffel symbols have to be proportional to ##1/r## as ##r## is the only dimensionful parameter you have.

Also note that what you are computing are the Christoffel symbols of the orthonormal basis you have chosen. I would reserve ##\Gamma^\theta_{\phi\phi}## etc for the Christoffel symbols in holonomic basis.
 
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Orodruin said:
Since your connection one-form is dimensionless (basically as a consequence of using an orthonormal basis), the physical dimension of your Christoffel symbols must be the inverse of the physical dimension of the corresponding ##\sigma^i##. For both ##\sigma^2## and ##\sigma^3##, the physical dimension is ##\mathsf L## and hence the corresponding Christoffel symbols must have physical dimension ##\mathsf L^{-1}##. This means the Christoffel symbols have to be proportional to ##1/r## as ##r## is the only dimensionful parameter you have.

Also note that what you are computing are the Christoffel symbols of the orthonormal basis you have chosen. I would reserve ##\Gamma^\theta_{\phi\phi}## etc for the Christoffel symbols in holonomic basis.
Could you explain this more?
 
lavinia said:
Could you explain this more?
I assume you mean the first part? I guess dimensional analysis is a concept more used in physics. Mathematicians would probably prefer to refer to it as a scaling property when ##r \to kr##. Under this transformation the connection 1-forms do not change, but the expressions for the dual basis vectors ##\sigma^2## and ##\sigma^3## do. In order to maintain the relation between the connection 1-forms, the dual basis vectors, and the Christoffel symbols, the Christoffel symbols ##\Gamma^i_{j2}## and ##\Gamma^i_{j3}## must scale as ##1/r##.
 
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Thanks. I see now. Nice argument.
 

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