Connection between Cybernetics and Divine Proportion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential connection between cybernetics and the mathematical concept of the divine proportion, specifically the golden ratio (Phi). Participants explore the implications of applying Phi in various contexts, including feedback systems and visual representations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims to have discovered a unique mathematical connection and shares a webpage to explain their findings.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism, suggesting that the claims are not proven for the general case and labeling them as a conjecture.
  • A third participant criticizes the initial claims as nonsensical, arguing that the observed effects are merely due to the camera's field of view and the screen size, and points out misunderstandings regarding feedback types.
  • A later reply asserts that regardless of the type of feedback, the golden ratio can still be observed, claiming personal experience with consistent results across different setups.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the validity of the claims made about the connection between cybernetics and Phi. Some participants challenge the foundational understanding of feedback systems, while others maintain that their observations support the existence of Phi in their experiments.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of positive and negative feedback, as well as the conditions under which Phi is observed. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of experimental results and theoretical implications.

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I think I may have discovered something unique to mathematics. I made a (sloppy) webpage to explain:

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/cybernetics/
 
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I doubt it's anything big, but I guess it's pretty neat that Phi can be applied again.

It just doesn't seem you proved it for the general case.

So far, it's only a conjecture.
 
Radix said:
I think I may have discovered something unique to mathematics. I made a (sloppy) webpage to explain:

What pure nonsense, surely this is a joke right?. The relative size of those cascading images you got when you pointed your webcam at your monitor are simply a function of the relative size of the camera's field of view and the size of the screen.

Also you don't even know the difference between +ive and -ive feedback. When you point the camera at the screen it's actually positive feedback, not negative as you claim. Positive feedback doesn't necessarily lead to a system that blows up exponentially, if the loop gain is less than one then positive feedback systems are also stable. Also negative feedback system don't necessarily oscillate, there is so much rubbish on that page it's ridiculous.
 
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regardless of whether its positive or negative you still get phi. I've done it more than once using different angles with different measurements. The size of my monitor or the field of view of my camera have nothing to do with it. Try it yourself and you will get phi also.
 

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