Conservation of Angular Momentum in a Rotating System

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the conservation of angular momentum in a rotating system, specifically a uniform rod with sliding rings. The scenario includes calculations related to the moment of inertia and angular velocity as the rings move outward along the rod.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of angular momentum by calculating the initial and final moments of inertia of the system. They express confusion regarding their calculated result of 0.8109, questioning where their reasoning may have gone wrong.
  • Some participants inquire about the specific question being addressed and suggest clarifying the symbols and units used in the calculations.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the moment of inertia calculations before and after the rings slide to the ends of the rod, with a focus on the changing radius of the rings.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the calculations involved in determining the final angular velocity of the system. There is acknowledgment of a potential misunderstanding regarding the positions of the rings, indicating a productive direction towards clarifying the problem setup.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available and the assumptions that can be made about the system. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and the implications of the rings' positions.

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A uniform rod of mass 3.15×10^−2 kg and length 0.380 m rotates in a horizontal plane about a fixed axis through its center and perpendicular to the rod. Two small rings, each with mass 0.250 kg, are mounted so that they can slide along the rod. They are initially held by catches at positions a distance 5.20×10^−2 m on each side from the center of the rod, and the system is rotating at an angular velocity 34.0 rev/min. Without otherwise changing the system, the catches are released, and the rings slide outward along the rod and fly off at the ends.

now
I think that the its just pure conservation of momentum

Iwinitial=Iwfinal

so i do

((1/12)(3.5*10^-2)(.38)^2+2*.25*(5.2x10^-2)^2))
divided by
((1/12)(3.5*10^-2)(.38)^2+2*.25*(.38^2))
and then multiply the result by 34
but i get 0.8109
which is the wrong answer
what i am doing wrong?
 
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What is the question you are trying to answer? It would be good if you would identify all those numbers by the symbols they replaced, and units would go a long way to helping in that identification.
 
What is the angular speed of the system at the instant when the rings reach the ends of the rod?

the numbers represent

(1/12)(mass(rod))(Length)^2+2*mass(ring)*radius(ring)^2
Which is just the moment of inertia of the system before it starts
divided by the moment of inertia of the system after the rings get to the edge
the only thing that changes is the radius of the ring which goes from (5.2*10^-2)m to .38m

and then multipy by the initial angular velocity to
get the final angular velocity

i just happen to end up with .8109, which is not right
 
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redribbbon said:
What is the angular speed of the system at the instant when the rings reach the ends of the rod?

the numbers represent

(1/12)(mass(rod))(Length)^2+2*mass(ring)*radius(ring)^2
Which is just the moment of inertia of the system before it starts
divided by the moment of inertia of the system after the rings get to the edge
the only thing that changes is the radius of the ring which goes from (5.2*10^-2)m to .38m

and then multipy by the initial angular velocity to
get the final angular velocity

i just happen to end up with .8109, which is not right
Each ring only goes out to half the length of the rod
 
wow

i am an idiot

thanks a lot for pointing that out
 

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