Conservation of angular momentum problem

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum and rotational kinetic energy in the context of cylinders with varying masses and radii. Participants are exploring whether cylinders with the same rotational energy necessarily have the same tangential velocity, despite differences in their physical properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to relate rotational kinetic energy and angular momentum, questioning the implications of different masses and radii on tangential velocity. Some express initial assumptions about energy conservation, while others explore specific cases to clarify their understanding.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various perspectives on the relationship between mass, radius, and kinetic energy. Some have provided mathematical reasoning to support their views, while others are still grappling with the concepts and seeking clarification.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the effects of radius and mass on rotational kinetic energy, as well as the assumptions underlying the conservation principles being discussed. Participants are also considering specific cases to illustrate their points, which may lead to differing interpretations.

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Homework Statement


If two cylinders have the same rotational energy, do the cylinders, though having either different radii or different masses, have the same tangential velocity?

Homework Equations


Rotation Equations (torque, etc)

The Attempt at a Solution


My gut feeling says yes, because of the conservation of energy.

Thank You for any help.

EDIT: My gut feeling says yes, because of the conservation of angular momentum?
 
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If you have two identically-shaped cylinders rotating at the same speed, one made out of snow and the other made out of lead, which will have a greater rotational kinetic energy?
 


ideasrule said:
If you have two identically-shaped cylinders rotating at the same speed, one made out of snow and the other made out of lead, which will have a greater rotational kinetic energy?

I guess the lead one would because of the greater inertia, but what about the case with different radii. The way I see it is, they both follow .5I(omega)^2 so the larger cylinder will have a larger radius but a small angular velocity. But, tangential velocity is multiplying both radius and angular velocity so won't the tangential velocity be equal in this case?
 


Well, I tried using an arbitrary case and my new answer is "no" but I still don't quite get why.
In my case, I designated the radius to be multiplied by 4 and the angular momentum to be multiplied by .5
 


0.5Iw^2 can be rewritten as 0.5I(v/r)^2. Since I=(1/2)Mr^2 for a cylinder, KE=(1/4)Mv^2. So radius doesn't affect kinetic energy as long as mass is constant.
 

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