Conservation of Energy bullet of mass

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The problem involves a bullet of mass m fired at a velocity of 50 m/s at an angle x, which collides with a bob of mass 3m hanging from a string. The scenario includes analyzing the conservation of energy and momentum during and after the collision, as well as determining the angle x and the coordinates of the bob relative to the projectile's launch point.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the energy conservation approach and question whether energy is conserved during the collision. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of "bob wrt the projectile" and the implications of the collision on energy and momentum.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of energy conservation and momentum during the collision. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conservation principles that apply before and after the collision, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or the validity of the original poster's calculations.

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There is some confusion regarding the terminology used in the problem statement, particularly the phrase "bob wrt the projectile." Additionally, participants are navigating the implications of the collision on energy conservation and the necessary calculations for height and position.

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Homework Statement


A bullet of mass m is fired with a velocity of 50m/s at an angle x. At the top of its trajectory it hits a bob of mass 3m hanging by a string 3.3 m long and gets imbedded in it. The string rotates by an angle of 120 degrees.

Find x and the coordinates of the bob wrt the projectile.


The Attempt at a Solution



The bullet hits the bob with velocite 50 cosx. The kinetic energy of the bullet gets converted into the gravitational potential energy of the bob and the bullet.

[tex]0.5m(50cosx)^2= 4mg*3.3*(1+sin30)[/tex]
cosx=0.4

The answer, however, is 30 degrees. I used cosx=0.4 to solve the second part, but needless to say, that answer didnt match either.

What did I do wrong? Or is the given answer incorrect?
 
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I have no idea what "bob wrt the projectile" means, and so I am not really sure what you did wrong or what you were trying to solve. However, in your energy equation it looks like you are doing
[tex]E_i = E_f[/tex]
[tex]K_i + U_i = K_f + U_f[/tex]
[tex]K_i = U_f[/tex]

I agree with the initial kinetic, but it looks to me like you calculated the height the wrong for your potential.
 
chaoseverlasting said:
The bullet hits the bob with velocite 50 cosx.
Good.
The kinetic energy of the bullet gets converted into the gravitational potential energy of the bob and the bullet.
Careful! Is energy conserved during the collision of bullet with bob?
 
Isnt the energy conserved? And bob wrt projectile means that the origin is at the point where the projectile was launched. We have to find the position of the bob w.r.t that origin.
 
chaoseverlasting said:
Isnt the energy conserved?

Only momentum is conserved, not energy.
 
chaoseverlasting said:
Isnt the energy conserved?
As e(ho0n3 has stated, during the collision only momentum is conserved. But after the collision, the mechanical energy of the "bullet+bob" system is conserved. Both parts are needed to solve this problem.
 

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