Conservation of energy during generation of entanglement

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The discussion centers on the conservation of energy during the generation of entangled photon pairs via spontaneous parametric down-conversion (SPDC). Participants explore the implications of energy distribution among photons, the concept of energy quantization, and the nature of photons in relation to frequency and energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the combined energy of the two entangled photons equals the energy of the original pump photon.
  • There is a discussion on whether a photon is the smallest quanta of energy, with some arguing that energy is proportional to frequency.
  • One participant suggests that energy cannot be split among photons in the manner proposed, asserting that it makes no sense to divide energy in that way.
  • Another participant raises the question of whether frequency itself is quantized, proposing that if it is, there could be a smallest frequency corresponding to the lowest energy photon.
  • One participant explains that quantization typically arises from boundary conditions, using the example of an electron in an atom, and notes that free photons do not have frequency limits unless placed in a system with boundary conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of energy quantization and the implications for photons, with no consensus reached on whether energy can be split among photons or if frequency is quantized.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of photons and energy that remain unresolved, particularly regarding the implications of frequency and boundary conditions on energy quantization.

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Understanding conservation of energy during generation of entanglement.


In the experiment for generation of entangled pair of photons via SPDC

Single photons are struck on a BBO crystal.

In about 1 in a trillion of such collisions, two photons emerge.

Questions:

1. Is the combined energy of the two photons exactly equal to the "pump/original" photon?

2. If a photon is the smallest quanta of energy, then how do we explain the fact that its energy has been split among two photons?

or

3. Are there two parts to the energy of a photon? i.e.

a) energy of the photon. i.e. photon as a moving ball of energy.

taking the example of a ball --> the ball can be converted to energy

b) energy on the photon. i.e. momentum of the photon

taking the example of a ball --> the ball is moving at a certain velocity it caries some force/energy/momentum
 
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1. Each photon is half the frequency and therefore half the energy of the down converted photon.

2. A photon is not the smallest quanta of energy. Energy is proportional to frequency.
 
2. there is no smallest energy quantum and no energy quantization in general; for frequency f → 0 you have for energy E = hf → 0; so a photon is the smallest quantum of energy for a fixed frequency

3. no, you can't split energy in that way; it makes no sense
 
tom.stoer said:
2. there is no smallest energy quantum and no energy quantization in general; for frequency f → 0 you have for energy E = hf → 0; so a photon is the smallest quantum of energy for a fixed frequency

3. no, you can't split energy in that way; it makes no sense

Well answered. Thanks Tom, Cosmik.
 
tom.stoer said:
2. there is no smallest energy quantum and no energy quantization in general; for frequency f → 0 you have for energy E = hf → 0; so a photon is the smallest quantum of energy for a fixed frequency

is frequency "quantized"?

if it is, then would you have the smallest frequency and corresponding to that the lowest energy photon in the universe?

thus would we have the smallest unit of energy?
 
In general, quantization occurs due to boundary conditions. Think for example on an electron whos motion normally can be anything, but if it's bound to an atom it becomes quantized into its shells (periodic boundary condition). So while a free photon does not have an limits on its frequency, if you place that photon into a system with boundary conditions, such as a cavity, then a quantization effect occurs, and only special fequencies are allowed, which also gives you a minimum possible frequency. Though note that the minimum can still be changed by changing the system and thus the boundary conditions.
 

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