Conservation of energy in bouncing ball

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The discussion centers on the conservation of energy during the elastic collision of a bouncing ball with the ground. It highlights that while the ball's velocity changes from v to -v upon bouncing, the kinetic energy of the ground is negligible due to its large mass, leading to the conclusion that the total kinetic energy before and after the collision remains constant. Participants debate the effects of different observer frames, noting that energy conservation can appear violated in non-inertial frames. Ultimately, it is clarified that in an inertial frame, total kinetic energy is conserved in perfectly elastic collisions. The conversation emphasizes the importance of consistently applying the same reference frame to avoid confusion in energy calculations.
  • #31
Very confusing for me at least.

I ll define two different (i think) frames:

Frame A: The frame where the ground is stationary before the collision.
Frame B: The ground frame where ground is stationary, before, during and after the collision.

I hope frames A and B are well defined (i sense there might be a problem with the way i define frame A, if so explain to me). Also i think Frame A is inertial before, during and after the collision, while Frame B is inertial before and after, but not during, the collision. We "have the right" to remain in frame A even after the collision right?

What i really want to ask is this:
What are the velocities of the ball and the ground , before and after the collision, in Frame A?
Same question for Frame B.
 
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  • #32
For the CM system:$$ mv + MV = 0 ,\, E_{cm} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 + \frac{1}{2}MV^2 $$For V=0 we have another frame witch move by V before collision and -V after collision.
For what reason a system that in time dt change his velocity from V to -V must conserve any kinetic energy?
 
  • #33
Delta² said:
What are the velocities of the ball and the ground , before and after the collision, in Frame A?
Same question for Frame B.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elastic_collision#One-dimensional_Newtonian

For the inertial frame A set u1 to zero. For frame B same as above, then subtract v1 from the final velocities.
 
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  • #34
Ok it is now clear to me that in Frame B it will be ##v_2=-u_2## for some reason i couldn't see that, thanks. However in Frame A it is ##|v_2|<|u_2|## correct?
 

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