Conservation of energy in bouncing ball

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The discussion centers on the conservation of energy during the elastic collision of a bouncing ball with the ground. Participants analyze the kinetic energy (KE) of the ball and the ground, concluding that while the ball's velocity changes, the total kinetic energy in an inertial frame remains conserved. The conversation highlights the importance of the observer's frame of reference, noting that energy conservation holds true when using a consistent inertial frame, despite the apparent discrepancies in non-inertial frames.

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  • #31
Very confusing for me at least.

I ll define two different (i think) frames:

Frame A: The frame where the ground is stationary before the collision.
Frame B: The ground frame where ground is stationary, before, during and after the collision.

I hope frames A and B are well defined (i sense there might be a problem with the way i define frame A, if so explain to me). Also i think Frame A is inertial before, during and after the collision, while Frame B is inertial before and after, but not during, the collision. We "have the right" to remain in frame A even after the collision right?

What i really want to ask is this:
What are the velocities of the ball and the ground , before and after the collision, in Frame A?
Same question for Frame B.
 
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  • #32
For the CM system:$$ mv + MV = 0 ,\, E_{cm} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 + \frac{1}{2}MV^2 $$For V=0 we have another frame witch move by V before collision and -V after collision.
For what reason a system that in time dt change his velocity from V to -V must conserve any kinetic energy?
 
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Ok it is now clear to me that in Frame B it will be ##v_2=-u_2## for some reason i couldn't see that, thanks. However in Frame A it is ##|v_2|<|u_2|## correct?
 

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