Conservation of energy problem: Two masses, a pulley and an incline

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The discussion revolves around a conservation of energy problem involving two masses, M and m, connected by a wire over a fixed pulley, with M on an inclined plane and m hanging vertically. The problem seeks to demonstrate the oscillatory motion of mass M as it moves along the incline.

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  • Participants discuss the height variation of mass M as it moves along the incline and question how to determine the corresponding height change for mass m. There is also inquiry about the mechanics of the system, particularly whether the inclined plane can rotate like a see-saw, which could influence the oscillatory behavior.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem, including the relationship between the movements of M and m and the implications of the system's setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the change in wire length affecting the height of mass m.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, which includes specific conditions for the masses and the geometry of the setup. There is an emphasis on understanding the equilibrium position and the dynamics of the system without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement
Two material points of masses M and m are joined together by means of a wire that passes in A through a fixed pulley. The mass m hangs vertically; the largest M rests on a smooth inclined plane that forms an [itex]\alpha[/itex] angle with the vertical. M starts its movement, sliding along the plane, without initial speed, starting from point B0 located on the vertical of A. Demonstrate that point M performs amplitude oscillations [itex] x = \overline {B_oB} = \frac {2m (M-m) h \cos \alpha} {m ^ 2-M ^ 2\cos ^ 2 \alpha} [/itex] where [itex]h = \overline {B_oA} [/itex] and fulfilling the condition [itex] M \cos \alpha < m < M [/itex]
Relevant Equations
Gravitational energy: [itex]mgh[/itex]
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If M moves ##x## along the plane, her height variation in ##x \cos(\alpha)##, and, but I don't know how to find the variation of the height of ##m##
 
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Tassandro said:
Homework Statement:: Two material points of masses M and m are joined together by means of a wire that passes in A through a fixed pulley. The mass m hangs vertically; the largest M rests on a smooth inclined plane that forms an alpha angle with the vertical. M starts its movement, sliding along the plane, without initial speed, starting from point B0 located on the vertical of A. Demonstrate that point M performs amplitude oscillations [itex]x = \overline {B_oB} = \frac {2m (M-m) h \cos \alpha} {m ^ 2-M ^ 2\cos ^ 2 \alpha}[/itex] where [itex]h = \overline {B_oA}[/itex] and fulfilling the condition [itex]M \cos \alpha < m < M[/itex]
Relevant Equations:: Gravitational energy: [itex]mgh[/itex]

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If M moves $$x$$ along the plane, her height varation in $$x\cosα[\MATH], and, but I dont't know how to find the variation of the height of $$m$$ :/$$
Hello @Tassandro .
:welcome:

Consider the change in the length of wire from the mass, M to the pulley, when x = 0, compared to its length for an arbitrary value of x.
 
Tassandro said:
Homework Statement:: Two material points of masses M and m are joined together by means of a wire that passes in A through a fixed pulley. The mass m hangs vertically; the largest M rests on a smooth inclined plane that forms an alpha angle with the vertical. M starts its movement, sliding along the plane, without initial speed, starting from point B0 located on the vertical of A. Demonstrate that point M performs amplitude oscillations [itex]x = \overline {B_oB} = \frac {2m (M-m) h \cos \alpha} {m ^ 2-M ^ 2\cos ^ 2 \alpha}[/itex] where [itex]h = \overline {B_oA}[/itex] and fulfilling the condition [itex]M \cos \alpha < m < M[/itex]
Relevant Equations:: Gravitational energy: [itex]mgh[/itex]

View attachment 265869View attachment 265869
If M moves $$x$$ along the plane, her height varation in $$x\cosα[\MATH], and, but I dont't know how to find the variation of the height of $$m$$ :/$$
Is that bottom plane free to rotate about point ##B_0## like a see-saw? Is that why you can get an oscillatory motion?
 
berkeman said:
Is that bottom plane free to rotate about point ##B_0## like a see-saw? Is that why you can get an oscillatory motion?
No, it's because there is an equilibrium position
given by ##Mg\cos(\alpha)=mg\cos(\alpha-\beta)##
, where beta is the angle of the string to the vertical.
 
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