Variable friction on an inclined plane and maximum velocity

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The discussion focuses on analyzing the motion of a block on an inclined plane, emphasizing the role of variable friction in the context of the work-energy theorem. Participants highlight the need to account for all forces acting on the block, including gravitational and frictional forces, to determine the total work done and its relationship to kinetic energy. The conversation also touches on the importance of expressing work done by friction as an integral due to its variability. A specific book reference, "An Introduction to Mechanics" by Daniel Kleppner, is provided for further reading on the topic. The thread concludes with suggestions to refine calculations and clarify the relationships between distance, height, and forces involved.
  • #31
rockinwhiz said:
I think I've got it. First off, the total height is ##h##. Let the incline's length be ##d## and the angle between it and the vertical ##\theta##. Clearly, ##d \cos \theta =h##. Firstly, the acceleration on the particle ##= g \cos \theta -kgx \sin \theta##. Now here, ##a=dv/dt=(dv/dx) \cdot v##. Cross multiplying both sides with ##dx## and integrating from ## 0## to ##d## gives ##0=gd \cos \theta -(kd^2g \sin \theta) /2## (LHS is 0 as velocity is 0 at the beginning point and at ##d##). So, after some simple algebra ##d = 2 \cot \theta /k= h /( \cos \theta)##, yielding ##h=2 \cos \theta \cot \theta /k##. Then, adopting the same method over distance ##l##, where ##v## is maximum, I get ##v^2/2=gl \cos \theta + (kl^2 g \sin \theta)/2##. Now, differentiating both sides with respect to ##l## gives ##0=g \cos \theta - klg \sin \theta##(v is max here, so its derivative is zero). I end up with ##k \cot \theta = l##. Putting ##l##'s value in the last equation, simplifying, finally substituting ##k##'s value gives me:
$$v= \sqrt { \frac {gh} 2} $$

There might be some errors here and there because I've typed it VERY briefly and hastily, but I think this is it. Because, the given answer matches as well.
In good time, his reasoning is very reasonable, but I must clarify that the signing force is not equal to -kmgxsen (##\theta##), it is actually -kmgx. Do you agree with me? Still, considering friction in this way, you may notice that you get the same result.
 
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madafo3435 said:
In good time, his reasoning is very reasonable, but I must clarify that the signing force is not equal to -kmgxsen (##\theta##), it is actually -kmgx. Do you agree with me? Still, considering friction in this way, you may notice that you get the same result.
Oh yeah. I guess I'll check it out later. Thanks for everything man.
 
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  • #33
rockinwhiz said:
Oh yeah. I guess I'll check it out later. Thanks for everything man.
you're welcome, our discussion was interesting
 
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madafo3435 said:
In good time, his reasoning is very reasonable, but I must clarify that the signing force is not equal to -kmgxsen (##\theta##), it is actually -kmgx. Do you agree with me? Still, considering friction in this way, you may notice that you get the same result.
##\theta## and k are not specified in the problem statement, they are unknown constants created by the solver. So whether the friction coefficient is written as ##kx## or ##kx\sin(\theta)## is irrelevant, provided it is done consistently.
 
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