Conservation of Energy Problem

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a conservation of energy problem involving two masses, m1 and m2, where the setup includes potential energy considerations and the dynamics of motion as m1 falls. Participants are exploring how to properly set up initial and final conditions for the energy equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning whether m1 has potential energy at the initial state and discussing the implications of its position. There is also uncertainty regarding the need for information at intermediate states, particularly when m1 leaves the table. Some suggest applying Newton's laws and kinematics alongside energy principles.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various perspectives on how to approach the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between the forces acting on m1 and the timing of m2's descent. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of defining a reference level for potential energy, which affects the calculations. There is also a mention of missing information regarding the distance of m2 from the edge of the table, which may impact the analysis.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations



ΔK1+ΔK2+ΔU1+ΔU2 = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



The biggest stumbling block I have is setting up the initial and final conditions. First the initial:

1)Does m1 have potential energy in this setup? Part of me thinks it would have m1gh but I could also see it having zero potential energy (being on the table top).

2)I assume the final state would be right when m1 hits the ground (m2 has already hit). If this is the case, don't I need information at some intermediate state between the two? For instance, when m1 leaves the table?

Thanks.
 
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Why don't you try applying Newtons laws and kinematics and then energy principles?
 
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I figured I would need to know the distance that m2 is from the edge of the table for that (which I don't know). Is there something I'm missing that you could point out?
 
oh sorry first of all welcome to Physics forum :)
See that the mass m1 will experience force till mass m2 has not reached the ground. So mass m1 will keep on accelerating till mass m2 reaches the ground. So you can calculate how much it will accelerate as you know the distance of m2 from ground.Understood?
 
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You can use either conservation of energy or the laws of motion.
I understand that you are expected to use energy laws, right?

The values of potential energy will depend on where do you choose the reference level.
If you use the floor, m1 will have potential energy (m1*g*h) in the initial state. And it will have the same potential energy in the final state (for part a).
 

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