Conservation of momentum 2 step problem

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The problem involves a block sliding down a frictionless incline and a bullet impacting the block, raising questions about conservation of momentum and energy. The scenario includes a block of mass 0.0854 kg released from rest on a 25.8° incline, with a bullet of mass 0.0164 kg fired into it after the block has fallen a vertical distance of 0.905 m.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the block's speed using gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy principles. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the height fallen and the application of conservation of momentum. There is also exploration of whether the bullet's speed can be determined based on energy considerations for pushing the block back up the incline.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the problem's parameters, and there is an exploration of the relationship between kinetic and potential energy in the context of the bullet's impact.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the height measurement and the assumptions made about energy conversion during the bullet's impact. The problem's constraints and the specific conditions of the scenario are under consideration.

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Homework Statement


A 0.0854 kg block is released from rest from the top of a 25.8◦ frictionless incline. When
it has fallen a vertical distance of 0.905 m, a 0.0164 kg bullet is fired into the block along a
path parallel to the slope of the incline, and momentarily brings the block to rest, stopping in the block. The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s2. Find the speed of the bullet just before impact. Answer in units of m/s.

I was hoping someone could check my work because I seem to be getting the wrong answer...

What I did:
1. found the height of the incline
sin25.8=x/.905m
x=.3938841449m

mgh=1/2mv^2
[tex]\sqrt{2gh}[/tex]=v
v= 2.778512055m/s

2. used conservation of momentum
m1= block
m2=bullet
After having fallen the .905m
m1v1initial+m2v2initial= m1+m2(Vf)
because Vf=0
m1v1initial= m2v2initial
so plugging in m1= .0854kg m2=.0164kg v1=2.778512055m/s
i got v2= 14.46859326m/s
 
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Haven't they conveniently already provided you with the drop in height? Won't kinetic energy of the block be the .905*m*g then? And your V2 = 2*g*.905 ?
 
oh..i didn't read the problem carefully enough and assumed they were giving me the amount it was falling on the slope. Thanks for your help :)
 
oh, if i wanted to find the speed of the bullet that would push the block all the way back up the incline back to its initial position, would i be able to do this? :
1/2m1v^2= m2gh
mass1 i am denoting as mass of bullet
m2 i am denoting as combined mass
so vbullet= squareroot of (2*.1018*9.8*.905/ .0164) ?
my reasoning being that the ke of bullet is converted to pe needed to push block back up incline?
 
If you mean additional amount of energy (more than just stopping it), you should also consider that you need to add the mass of the bullet to the total mass pushed up the incline.
 

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