Conservation of momentum in an inelastic collision with friction

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The problem involves a ball falling into a truck filled with sand, analyzing the momentum before and after an inelastic collision while considering the effects of friction. The scenario includes both vertical and horizontal components of motion, with specific angles and masses provided.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum in both vertical and horizontal directions, questioning the impact of friction on the momentum after the collision. There are inquiries about the relationship between temperature and particle speed in the context of the collision.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of how friction affects momentum being explored. Some participants suggest neglecting friction for simplicity, while others emphasize its potential impact on the system. Guidance has been offered regarding the typical treatment of friction in introductory physics problems.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the assumption that friction may or may not be neglected, which could influence the conservation of momentum in the horizontal direction. Additionally, the relevance of temperature to the problem is questioned, indicating a potential divergence in focus among participants.

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Homework Statement


a ball falls in a truck loaded with sand with velocity v having horizontal and vertical component. The angle under which it enters the truck is α, the mass of the ball is m of the track loaded with sand is M. What happens with the momentum after the collision?


The Attempt at a Solution


This should be considered as completely inelastic collision.
In vertical direction the momentum before the collision is the momentum of the ball mcosv.
After the collision the track is not moving in horizontal direction, but the momentum should be conserved. The ball sinks in the sand, so is this the explanation?
In horizontal direction the momentum before the collision is msinv. What is the momentum after? There is friction during the collision. It should be (m+M)v', but what about the friction?
 
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What happens to the temperature of the sand once the ball makes contact?
 
It does not effect the momentum.
 
really? what does temperature tell you about the speed of particles in a substance?
 
DanicaK said:
In horizontal direction the momentum before the collision is msinv. What is the momentum after?
If there is no external horizontal force on the system (the truck, sand, and the ball), then momentum is conserved in the horizontal direction. So it really depends on whether you are allowed to neglect friction, which would be a horizontal force if it is present.

In introductory physics, if there is no mention of friction then it is usually neglected. So it looks like conservation of momentum (in the horizontal direction) applies here. And you know that momentum before the collision is m·sinα·v

p.s. Don't worry about the temperature, that is unnecessary for solving this problem.
 
Actually I am university student.
 

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